Disposal of flares - MCA replies

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Clearing old emails from last year, and I found this one from December. I am not sure it sheds as much light on the situation as I wish, though !


Disposal of Time Expired Pyrotechnics (TEPs)

Thank you for your enquiry of 28 November via the MCA Infoline regarding the disposal of time expired pyrotechnics (TEPs).

The disposal of TEPs is a complex issue which cuts across the responsibilities of a number of government departments and devolved administrations. Historically, although not an Maritime and Coastguard Agency (MCA) responsibility the MCA through HM Coastguard has provided limited reception facilities as a moral duty in support of the Agency’s public safety and environmental responsibilities and to encourage the leisure industry in particular to carry appropriate safety equipment.

There is a considerable amount of legislation covering the selling, use, storage, transportation, misuse and disposal of flares within the UK, which includes:

The Manufacture and Storage of Explosives Regulations 2005
Merchant Shipping (Distress Signals and Prevention of Collisions) Regulations 1996
Annex V of Marpol 73/78 (Classifies flares as Hazardous Waste)
Explosive Substances Act 1874
Firearms Act
Explosives Act 1875
Merchant Shipping Act 1995

The above is by no means an exhaustive list of current legislation, the legal views and interpretation of the various parts of legislation is at best changeable, with constant reviews and views changing on a regular basis.

Flares are included under the Manufacture and Storage of Explosives Regulations 2005 and are considered to be an explosive substance under the following definitions:

“capable by chemical reaction in itself of producing gas at such a temperature and pressure and at such speed as could cause damage to surroundings or”

“designed to produce an effect by heat, light, sound, gas or smoke or a combination of these as a result of a non-detonative, self-sustaining, exothermic chemical reaction:

Flares are also a defined as Class 1 explosive.

Merchant Shipping (Distress Signals and Prevention of Collisions) Regulations 1996 sets out the use and misuse of distress signals at sea, the penalties upon summary conviction of misuse can include fines and or imprisonment of up to £5,000 or up to 2 years imprisonment (Regulation 6).

It is not permitted to fire red distress flares on land or in conjunction with a firework festival or other celebration. However under certain conditions and with permission it is permissible to use non red distress flares at training demonstrations under controlled conditions providing that they are in date. Out of date pyrotechnics should not be used due to the potential degradation of the explosives, which may result in a misfire.

Marine Guidance Note (MGN) 256 sets the current position with regard to the disposal of TEPs. There are also commercial disposal companies who are licensed to dispose of hazardous waste, details of which can be found on the internet/ Yellow Pages etc. A consistent policy is in place within MCA with regard to disposal of TEPs that policy has recently been reiterated to all Coastguard Stations and remains as stated in MGN 256.

Further information on pyrotechnics can be found in the following:

International Code of Signals
MERSAR Manual
International Regulations for the Prevention of Collisions at Sea 1972 (Colregs) Rule 37 and Annex IV) this information is also available from Merchant Shipping Notice 1781.
Merchant Shipping Notice 1547 – Distress Signals.

The MCA through the United Kingdom Search and Rescue (UKSAR) Consultative Committees, Operators Group and Strategic Committee have raised and discussed the current difficulties and the subject is now to be discussed at an Extraordinary meeting of the Government Interdepartmental Group (GIG) early in the new year. The GIG is made up of all government stakeholders who have a responsibility for water safety in the UK, where it is hoped that a practical solution can be agreed.

I hope that the above will prove useful to your research.

Yours sincerely
 
I recently took mine to HM Coastguard where they were happy to accept them ,but did say that chandlers were now obligated to accept them as well...any one know anything about that?
 
When I was soldier before a sailor, I served in Army Bomb Disposal units. Part of our responsibility was to visit police stations and remove various dangerous bits and bobs handed in by Joe Public. Many of these were old flares handed in by yotties. We happily removed them to Lydd Ranges and spent many a happy afternoon making loud bangs and flashes. Do police stations still take them perhaps?.
 
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Do police stations still take them perhaps?.

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Bu99er that! Wheres Lydd Ranges? We could make a weekend of it, sounds great fun "making loud bangs and flashes"! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Most local CG teams take old flares, no problem, despite these stories that keep popping up on here from folk not knowing what to do with them.
I know this because (a) I am a CG and (b) my team and others around do take old flares.
I know nothing about chandlers being obliged to take them. Some certainly do, but it's usually where CG teams have persuaded them to act as a collecting point, and probably supplied suitable storage for them.
 
A chandler in Italy accepted my twenty year old flares rather to my surprise as I wasn't buying any more. I couldn't get near the coastguard station, due to barriers and warnings about trespassers being shot!!
 
Took mine to the Police station in Aberystwth, thought I was going to arrested for being a terrorist! Lots of suspicious looks and questions, then they told to piss off with out of date and leaking flares /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif. I suggested that if I took them to footy match they'd happley take them off my hands. They were not ammused.

These out of date flares came with my boat, I try not to keep old flares if I can help it. Honest /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif.


In the end I gave them to a passing CG launch. They went white when they saw the state of them. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
I know a man who delights in wilfully sailing right through the range and pretending he cannot understand what the range guard boat is saying to him.

He does it every time.

What they have not spotted is that he's a professional delivery skipper, so it happens quite often and its never the same boat twice!
 
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So they don't know what to do with them either. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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No - they dont WANT to know what to do with them. Classic civil service reply, along the lines of "were not here to help you and were not interested in helping you so s*d off ". Ask customs about vat and you'll get the same sort of answer.
 
The services are good at dumping out of date ammunition at sea. Is there any reason why we can't put all our old flares in a box, fill it with cement, then deep six it somewhere?. Now Rab, sit back and wait for it!.
 
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I know a man who delights in wilfully sailing right through the range and pretending he cannot understand what the range guard boat is saying to him.

He does it every time.

What they have not spotted is that he's a professional delivery skipper, so it happens quite often and its never the same boat twice!

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Why not? There is no legal requirement to stay outside the firing area. There is a requirement for the firing to stop should the area be compromised thou...

NB. NOT saying its good seamanship or good common sense to enter the range area when active! And if my boat arrived with bullet or shell holes in he wouldn't be getting paid!!

W.
 
Re: Disposal of flares - MCA replies

When I was soldier before a sailor, I served in Army Bomb Disposal units. Part of our responsibility was to visit police stations and remove various dangerous bits and bobs handed in by Joe Public. Many of these were old flares handed in by yotties. We happily removed them to Lydd Ranges and spent many a happy afternoon making loud bangs and flashes. Do police stations still take them perhaps?.
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No wonder Dungeness & Littlestone LBs got all those callouts.
 
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