Dismantling Perkins 4.236 raw water pump

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The HX on my 4.236 failed a couple of years ago (the main body just corroded away). I managed to get a replacement Bowman but had to fabricate my own fittings to suit the engine. That's now completed but due to other things, like life, getting in the way it's taken me took now to complete the fit. I've now moved my attention to the raw water pump setting as it's been sitting idle with salt water in the system for over 2 years.

I removed the pump and managed to get the old impeller out (after a couple of the bronze face plate screws had sheared off - will have to get a small screw extractor onto those) but am now stumped as to how the test of the pump comes apart. I'd like to replace the bearings and anything else that matters while I've got the pump at home.

The attached pics show different aspects of the pump. The only ID I can see on the casing is JABSCO EFC.

Does anyone know how the bronze pump housing can be separated from the cast iron engine drive part? It looks like it should be possible to drive the shaft out through the rear of the bronze housing - I've tried tapping it but no movement and I'm reluctant to force it anymore for fear of damaging the end of the shaft.

I'm guessing that the bearings will then be visible to be replaced. At the rear of the pump housing I can see a circlip that probably retains a bearing on the shaft, although it's not totally clear from the image, the circlip is not accessible without removing the housing.

One more thing that is a puzzle for me is where is/are the seals to stop the seawater escaping through the gap at the rear of the housing?

Anyhow looking forward to hearing from anyone who might have done this job in the past and can throw me some pointers. Also, it might not be clear from the image but I have removed the bolt that clamps the bronze part to the engine drive part and they are loose enough to rotate - they just don't want to separate.

Cheers
Mike

PS: I've made progress and identified the exact model as JABSCO 10970. Found some parts diagrams that helped me to understand the design.
There's a grub screw that when removed allows an internal part to be removed and this in turn, allows the back plate to be removed thereby giving access to the circlip. I've added some further pictures in case that helps someone else in the same position.

With the circlip now removed, along with the spacer underneath it, it looks like it should be possible to drive/press the shaft out through the rear of the bronze housing.

I've got it soaking in WD40 at the moment to see if that'll free the shaft up from the seals.

PPS: That worked and I was able to use a puller to finally separate the bronze housing from the drive body.
 

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Looks like my pump but apart from telling me it'll cost over $1K to replace it doesn't help much, but thx anyhow.

I take it you are not in the UK

I have a Perkins 4236 and also not in the UK and my Perkins 4236 has a belt driven raw water pump with fabricated mounting /tensioner

so you could look foe a pump of a similar capacity to mount and drive it in a different way if you have engineering skills
 
I take it you are not in the UK

I have a Perkins 4236 and also not in the UK and my Perkins 4236 has a belt driven raw water pump with fabricated mounting /tensioner

so you could look foe a pump of a similar capacity to mount and drive it in a different way if you have engineering skills
Yes you're correct, I'm located down under in Oz. I modified the anchors hydraulic pump in a similar way some time back so it's possible but such a lot of work in a VERY confined space. Just removing the water pump yesterday took me almost 2 hours of doing contortions and my back is paying for it today!
I'm still hoping there's enough experience out there working on the marinised 4.236 that someone will know how to take the pump apart. If not, I'll probably just replace the impeller and leave the old bearings in place.
 
The bearings ang seals will be pretty standard except stainless steel bearings and seal springs should be available at most engineering suppliers in most cities where engineering work is done
 
Jonathan

That looks like a very good supplier of lots of boating items local to you and maybe OP depends on where he is in OZ

Found this for parts foe Perkins pump spares

Seawater pumps PERKINS & Impellers
Thanks for the links Roger and Jonathan. I eventually ordered a service kit from Parts4Engines which includes everything except bearings. Having removed the pump from the drive assembly I can now check the drive unit independently. It appears to still be in very good order, turns smoothly and no apparent play. Should I decide to replace the bearings, like has already been suggested, I should be able to get them from any decent engineering supplier.

Thanks everyone for your interest. Let the rebuild begin.
 
Thanks for the links Roger and Jonathan. I eventually ordered a service kit from Parts4Engines which includes everything except bearings. Having removed the pump from the drive assembly I can now check the drive unit independently. It appears to still be in very good order, turns smoothly and no apparent play. Should I decide to replace the bearings, like has already been suggested, I should be able to get them from any decent engineering supplier.

Thanks everyone for your interest. Let the rebuild begin.
If your pump was as inconveniently located as ours (a nightmare), which is what you imply, I'd bite the bullet and buy new bearings (and fit new seals) so that I would not need to remove the device again. Ours was located such that I cut spanners down to fit in the restricted space but cracked the fasteners first than removed same with the shorter spanner.

Jonathan
 
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