Cowie
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Has anyone used Kiwi Grip on there decks, I am think of going down this route
Deck Non stick
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lustyd
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I'd go for non skid rather than non stick on the decks 
Cowie
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Typo.
Cowie
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Lets hear your inputI'd go for non skid rather than non stick on the decks
Concerto
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I have used International Interdeck in grey and white. Easy to apply and good grip as well. The main thing to check is the condition of the deck. Are you painting a moulded pattern deck or a deck that already has paint applied? Any impefections in the surface will show through, so do you preparations to a high standard.
The forward edge of the coachroof is white non slip.
The forward edge of the coachroof is white non slip.
Cowie
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Looks nice, I am removing non skid decking from a Dehler 36cws patterened deck under the non skid. So I am not looking forward to it.
Concerto
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Sounds like a TreadMaster type finish that Dehler used to use. Once it has been removed, you can either just painting the surface. The better method is to fill the recesses and then paint them. This will stop any raised edges getting excessive wear.
You will have to watch the gel coat as when I removed some TreadMaster from my cockpit, I found some patches of osmosis.
Poignard
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Your deck looks very good.
Questions please.
1. What do you recommend to fill the recesses and how do you prepare them so that the filler will adhere?
2. What primer or undercoat, if any, did you use under the Interdeck?
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chrishscorp
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I have the same boat as Concerto and mine is covered in treadmaster which is worn out in places. I am slowly stripping the treadmaster off and I am using the grey Kiwi Grip, I have done 5 areas in it so far.
It is worth tackling a smaller area first to get your roller action right so you end up with a regular surface finish, I have had a number of people look at it and pass comment, all of the comments has been positive and the actual surface to walk on when wet is fine. Do not try to apply when the weather is hot as if you do several areas one after another the paint can start to dry in the textured roller and you will end up doing what i did and have to recoat an area after cleaning the roller out (not that you can tell). This weekends weather I would suggest would be excellent for its application.
It is worth tackling a smaller area first to get your roller action right so you end up with a regular surface finish, I have had a number of people look at it and pass comment, all of the comments has been positive and the actual surface to walk on when wet is fine. Do not try to apply when the weather is hot as if you do several areas one after another the paint can start to dry in the textured roller and you will end up doing what i did and have to recoat an area after cleaning the roller out (not that you can tell). This weekends weather I would suggest would be excellent for its application.
LadyInBed
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I removed treadmaster and painted with kiwigrip in May 2018.
It looked good after I had finished but now, 4 years on, it's looking tired and patches are lifting.
The problems can only be down to me, applied too thin in places, inadequate prep in places.
If you use it, I would suggest putting on a coat then applying a 2nd coat.
I used cream which was a bad colour choice.
I don't think I would use it again as a first choice.
It looked good after I had finished but now, 4 years on, it's looking tired and patches are lifting.
The problems can only be down to me, applied too thin in places, inadequate prep in places.
If you use it, I would suggest putting on a coat then applying a 2nd coat.
I used cream which was a bad colour choice.
I don't think I would use it again as a first choice.
lustyd
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OK then, the only genuine long term report I've seen is Sailing Uma, who showed theirs to Patrons when it started to degrade this year. This is useful because we saw them apply it and have a known timeline to judge aging against. They did a great prep job and painted using Kiwi Grip according to the instructions. After two years it's starting to flake off, as most paints tend to do. They will be refitting soon and refreshing the deck. Their boat has a harder life than most and has been to the arctic cirlce during that time. It's repairable, but it will be a definite maintenance item unlike gelcoat which may look a bit scruffy but doesn't tend to degrade further. If the deck has lost grip though, Kiwi would seem to be a slightly better option than non slip pearls which are a pain to paint with and also begin to flake at the two year mark.
It certainly looks the smartest finish I've seen when done well, and if you're willing to maintain it it's a great option.
Obviously, but a funny one.
Concerto
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My Westerly Fulmar deck did not require any filling. If I was filling the deck recesses, I would use my favourite filler, Teroson Gel Coat Filler. This is a polyester based filler which sets quickly and is easy to sand. Preparation only requires a course grit to sand the gel coat, but a wipe over with acetone could also could be used.
Interdeck is Toplac with added non slip. International Primer should be used first.
https://www.international-yachtpaint.com/s3/documents/TDS/Interdeck_eng_A4_20190610.pdf
Poignard
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Thanks for your advice.
I suppose the best preparation I can give the tiny recesses moulded into the non-slip areas is a good scrub with a detergent?
lustyd
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Do you have any photos from this year of high wear areas like side decks? Have you done much maintenance repainting or touching up? Photos of newly applied paint always look great so it's nice to get a follow up a few years later of real world experience of wear and tear.
davidmh
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I have recently removed treadmaster and paints with non-slip. The surafce under the treadmaster was a a diamond pattern gel coat. The residue left by the treadmaster glue needs to me removed, a long and tedious job. I made up a vee pointed scraper to clean out the grooves. So far the Hemple non-slip paint I used has adhered well.
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MapisM
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No I don't have any recent comparable pics, but I'm quite happy with the wear and tear so far - lack of, that is.
In fact, aside from having never made any touch up, I can't think of any area that could use some.
If I should be picky, the only difference vs. bare GRP is that keeping the KG surface thoroughly clean is a bit harder than with bare GRP.
But I only notice that because it's now easy for me to compare the KG areas previously covered with teak with all other parts of the superstructure, where the GRP has the typical diamond-shaped antiskid moulded in.
Other than that, I'm pretty sure that if I should take now some pics of the areas that I posted in the 2017 thread, you couldn't tell the old from the new.
The only caveat is that the KG surfaces (as well as the rest of the deck) have never seen any shoes, 'cause everyone onboard is always barefoot.
So, in this respect YMMV, I suppose.
lustyd
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I would (perhaps wrongly?) assume you also step on it less than a yacht would as you're less likely to need to go forwards? Good to hear it has lasted though.
MapisM
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Well I do go forward, typically for washing the boat, anchoring, plus fenders and bow lines handling.
But yes, I guess in a sailboat it might get used even more - and probably not barefoot.
But yes, I guess in a sailboat it might get used even more - and probably not barefoot.
Ceirwan
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I used Kiwi Grip.
Probably wouldn't again.
It looked fantastic when fresh, but once it got mucky it was very hard to keep clean.
My boat is kept in a mud berth, so if you're on a mooring or in a marina you'll probably fare better.
If I did it again then I'd use non skid particles in a 2 pack paint system. After gelcoat it seems to be the hardest wearing and looks professional if done right.
Probably wouldn't again.
It looked fantastic when fresh, but once it got mucky it was very hard to keep clean.
My boat is kept in a mud berth, so if you're on a mooring or in a marina you'll probably fare better.
If I did it again then I'd use non skid particles in a 2 pack paint system. After gelcoat it seems to be the hardest wearing and looks professional if done right.
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