Day skipper or YM

[mjf]

Re: DR???

DR = Dead Reckoning to me


Direct Route is unheard of here. What direct route? - RL = Rhumb Line or GC = Great Circle



I smell a rat.......


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[Aardee]

Re: DR???

I'm a sailor, I never take the direct route /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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[powerskipper]

DR= OOPPS Sorry directe route my slang for Dead Reckoning , [yes Jon will remember]/forums/images/icons/blush.gif

Doing day skipper theory for New Milton Adult Ed. [mon nights]

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Julie

 

[Tomsk]

I did day skipper with a female tutor who openly admitted that she new nothing about Mobo's and how the course could relate to them. The entire class was Raggies - I felt very left out and dis-heartened..

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Can I leave the planet please.. this one is broken!

 

[jon_bailey]

Probably explains why you are still doing DS course /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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[powerskipper]

er I'M teaching it /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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Julie

 

[jon_bailey]

yes, yes but not doing YM

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[powerskipper]

but have done ,and they all passed!!!!/forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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Julie

 

[jon_bailey]

You had better enrol me at New Milton, because whoever they have now must really know what they are talking about.

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[Cymraeg]

You could do a correspondence course, there are a few advertising in the back of MBM et al. I've just finished a Yachtmaster one, and they start off with basic geometry and how to read a compass - there's a lot of background information in there too, where terms and methods have originated from etc. From memory I think they say that it's possible in about 60 hours of study : I took a bit longer I think. The beauty of a course like that is that you can fit it in to your own schedule, and once you've completed it the reference manuals are there for you to repeat your studies as a refresher the following winter, which is what I shall be doing when the nights start drawing in!

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[RIN]

Jon

I did dayskipper 26 x 2 hour study at evening classes over last winter. First few weeks were of no help as it starts off at a very basic level, but does move on to more interesting things. There is a bias towards yachting but not so much that it makes the course irrelevant. The coursework and exams contained examples of both.

What I really valued was having a very experienced lecturer who was able to illustrate the course material with his own experiences

Will be doing YM this winter

Richard

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[hlb]

Glad you had an experienced Lecturer. Ours was crap and we hated every single minute of the 26 week course. He'd ramble on about his minor experiences for ages untill we finally fell asleep, at which point without any warning he would switch into course work, course half an hour went by before you realised that you realy should have been listening to this bit.

Anyway what I want to know, as I forgot all of whatever was taught.

Why do I need to work out secondary ports, I've sailed just about everywhere from Scotland to Ireland, Wales, South Coast and Britany. Not to mention the CI. Never needing to work anything out. It's all in the almanac or Pilot books. Anyway without masive blown up charts of every harbour and inlet, it would be near imposible to work out anything with any degree of accuracy.
Theres hours spent on which boat has which lights and how many...Does it realy matter!! I dont much care if it's a tug, minesweeper or fishing boat that is about to run me down and I aint standing there worrying about the colour of it's lights!!

Dead reconning. Has anyone ever tried to pilot a fast planing boat to say Guernsey using nothing but dead reconning?? My saily old salt mate used to recon that if he got an accuracy within 10 miles of his destination he had done well. Now this might be fine in a saily boat in thick fog. Just stop till you can see where yer going. But cant realy do that in a mobo. You run out of juice, then arnt going anywhere, less you took a fairly direct route and without getting lost!!

Now I'm not condeming courses out of hand and I supose if you know nowt, you have to start some where. Just dont know which bit that I did'nt know before the course, did I ever need to know since.
By the way. about 1200 nautical miles so far this year.../forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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[BarryH]

To be honest with your experience I wouldn't bother with the theory, you'll probably breeze thru it, I'd go and do the practical.
Both the courses are heavily biased towards raggies. Well at least they were when I did'em. All very well working up EP's etc on a classroom desk or a relativly slow stable platform of a yacht. I tried it at 25 knots in a slight seaway in my boat going from Poole to Yarmouth. In short forget it! Aside the fact that I could see my destination from my departure point has nothing to do with it.
Also its tue what Hlb says. When was the last time you had to work up tides for secondary ports.

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[BrendanS]

Having done practical courses up to Powerboat Advanced, and YM theory, no, you don't use most of this stuff in day to day boating. The whole point, at least in my opinion, is that learning the basics makes you far more aware of issues and consequences. You probably don't even realise you are using the knowledge you have gained, as practical experience takes over to some extent.

For what it's worth, I think Jon should do YM...as long as basic navigation is up to speed. Having done aero, hill walking, climbing etc and related exams on navigation and met, I thought it would be a doddle, but I really did have to work on some parts of it, and found it useful and interesting anyway. OK, you don't work up secondary ports often, but having the theory is sometimes useful!

I don't think many people would get through the practical courses without doing the theory first



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[ArthurWood]

Shouldn't you get a boat first or you'll forget, like hlb, all you learn?/forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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[jon_bailey]

HLB has already forgotten more than I have ever learnt so to catch him up I have to learn more so that I can then forget it!!

Do not remind me about boats. I took the boys to Sandsbanks last night to watch the fireworks, I wasn't at all envious of the boats moored off the beach!

The fireworks were launched from a barge flying Red, white, red lights. Now what does that mean? Mind you, does anyone care, because it was fairly obvious with all those fireworks coming out of it.

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[boatone]

(b) A vessel restricted in her ability to manoeuvre, except a vessel engaged in mine-clearance operations, shall exhibit:
(i) three all-round lights in a vertical line where they can best be seen. The highest and lowest of these lights shall be red and the middle light shall be white;

.....so there you have it.......as for catching up with hlb, the bugger keeps treading on my heels /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif Its only by deft and cunning use of my bowthruster that I manage to keep one step ahead.......

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[jon_bailey]

Thanks for your confidence in my ability!

Whilst I accept that 90% of the course will be irrelevant, this is the case with most courses I have done, from degree to parenting!

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