Day skipper or ICC

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I have the day skipper theory and have sailed for a few years and think it is about time to bite the bullet and get a practical cert so on the off chance I can persuade Mrs Smeaks we can disapear to warmer climes for a week or two.

I understand that the ICC assesment can be undertaken in one day yet the Dskip is a three weekend or 5 day commitment. It is time I am short of. What advantage is there in taking the DSkip course when the cert needs to be transfered to a ICC anyway?

Can you do an ICC in a day? Is it cheaper? When the fatefull day comes to regulate our hobby - sorry i mean passion - will it be the ICC that is required - presumably so as thats what our european pals will have who visit our shores.
 
Just a thought .......... if you do Powerboat Level 2 you get your ICC ticket as part of it.
Its a while since I did it but I think it takes 2 days only. In my day the Powerboat Level 2 was all done in RIBS but I think now adays if you want cover upto 24metres you have to use a bigger boat than a RIB.
A good enjoyable weekend, if you choose to do it.
 
The Day skipper course is just that - it is a training course - the benefit to you is that you gain skills from it. The one day ICC is simply a test - no tuition. You need to decide if you need training or not. The shorebased course and certificate on its own is not enough. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
Take a look here. This is the ICC application form.

There are lots of different endorsments and the list of "Acceptable Evidence of Competance" is not comprehensive.

Officially, a PB2 on its own will only give you power up to 10m, inland or coastal.

When I applied for mine a few years ago there wasn't the 10m limit & I had a load of qualifications that weren't listed as they were too old. I got various stories from different people in the RYA including: you need to do a day skipper & you need a 1 day assessment. But eventually an e-mail to James Stevens, the training manager resulted in my quals being accepted & ICC for power & sail up to 24m being issued.
 
Just over a year ago i did dayskipper practical, got the rya certificate, sent it off and got the ICC also.
 
I took a test of competence at my club which is RYA recognised. It took a morning of circuits and bumps in my own boat and then a test of basic knowledge of rules, buoyage lghts etc. Navigation was covered by reviewing my passage plans and log books from previous years. The ICC is accepted in Greece for chartering, but they will also (usually)accept an RYA Day Skipper.

Renewal of the ICC is automatic every 5 years so there is an assumption, rather like the driving licence that competence is maintained!
 
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Is it no longer the case that an experienced skipper/ owner can get an ICC with a signed letter recognising his expertise from a senior officer of a recognised yacht club?

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Long since gone - the Krauts amongst others were unwilling to accept is as a serious test / qualification. Not surprising really since it wasnt.

As people have already said the Day Skipper is a qualification which includes quite a lot of subjects from anchoring to weather forecasts. The ICC is an international permit and the testing is very basic though it does now involve theory as well as a short practical doing things like picking up a mooring.

If you already know it all, then go for the ICC. If you want to learn, do the DS and the ICC.
 
4 Years ago I did the Day Skipper practical after a long while away from the water, got free RYA from the course, and the RYA gave me a free ICC !



I wonder if they have a shelf life?
 
As someone has said - if you want to learn something do the Dayskipper practical. I did DS and YM shorebased and then ICC (because I was bored and the club did it in the winter). I rang RYA to see if I needed to do the theory bit and they said that ICC was practical only and therefore no theory. ICC examiner said I should do the theory - got 96% (it was easy!) and the practical was so easy that even the person who did an accidental gybe in 5 knots of flats sea passed! Not worth the paper it's written on IMHO but a few extra questions added the CEVNI so job done.
 
Hi Smeaks,

You've had some good advice already?

I would advise on the Day Skipper, going to cost you more but if you do it on a yacht over 10m you will be able to apply for an ICC Sail up to 24m with power up to 10m included.

You will also get the training and it usually turns out that even people who have sailed for years learn lots and fill gaps in to become a more rounded skipper. I guess you would expect me to say this but it is actually true!

If your a sailer the PB2 doesnt really do it as it will give you an ICC power up to 10m, check out our website and if we can help drop me a line.

Duncan
 
All the RYA qualifications can be obtained by just taking the exam. You don't have to do a shorebased course or any on-water training. Most sailing schools offer a combined course/preparation exam but it isn't mandatory. If you feel up to it and have a suitable boat you can ask the RYA for a list of examiners and arrange to be tested. Once you have DS or above you can apply to the RYA to get an ICC (free if you're a member). Alternatively you can get an examiner to test you for the ICC direct.
 
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All the RYA qualifications can be obtained by just taking the exam. You don't have to do a shorebased course or any on-water training. Most sailing schools offer a combined course/preparation exam but it isn't mandatory. If you feel up to it and have a suitable boat you can ask the RYA for a list of examiners and arrange to be tested. Once you have DS or above you can apply to the RYA to get an ICC (free if you're a member). Alternatively you can get an examiner to test you for the ICC direct.

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A mix of fact and fiction! Not all RYA qualifications are "examined" some are "assesed".
 
Why not get an instructor for two days on your own boat? He'll give you the tuition you actually need (rather than having to run through the whole DS syllabus) and then test you for the ICC as you go along. It's cheaper and a lot more effctive than the DS because you can ask him to help with things you haven't had to do before (and maybe are not on the DS syllabus). We did loads of manoevering around the marina, and anchored and picked up moorings under sail, and very little routine sailing or navigation (because he reckoned that we were ok with that already). We even learnt to steer with bucket in case the rudder broke - good fun! It was the best of both worlds.

As someone else said, if you are confident that you know it already, go for the 1-day ICC, but a better bet than DS is to take an extra day of own-boat tuition, if you feel you need some tuition first.

Good luck.
 
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