Davits with transom rudder

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Is it possible to use stern davits with a transom hung rudder (Moody 29).
I am looking at the type of SS davits sold by Force4 Or Simpson type davits.I have never used Davits on a sailboat, would the tender impede or bang against the rudder in a swell? Can the tender be secured to hang aft of the rudder arc?
The tender is a 2.6 m inflatable with inflatable floor and wooden transom.
Any advice or experience welcome.
 
Thanks, is that from experience? I have never seen davits on a boat with transom rudder, which makes me wonder why.
 
Boeingdr said:
Thanks, is that from experience? I have never seen davits on a boat with transom rudder, which makes me wonder why.
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I've got davits on our Westerly Konsort duo - transom hung rudder. I think they are Simpson davits, and the dinghy is just above the level of the rudder.

If I get some time this evening, I'll add some photos.

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(The reason the dinghy is down by the stern, is to allow it to drain out rainwater when on the moorings.)

(any simple instructions on how to make thumbnails??)
 
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If you google the yachtbrokers "yachtsnet" - look in their "archive" section and then click on the westerley konsort - you will see a very tidy davit arrangement. The Konsort has a transom hung rudder just like yours. Still not perfect however - I will send you pics of my arrangement shortly.
 
I have a Moody 29 also. To solve the towing/stowage of the dinghy I looked into this http://www.dinghy-tow.com/

It was very pricey around £2000 ! So made my own for about £300 in 2005. It was a simple project, the hardest part was working out lengths/angles etc.

It works extremely well and makes fitting the outboard very safe and easy by pulling the the dinghy up to the transom and attaching it from the cockpit. Boarding is safe, towing in heavy seas is no problem as your are towing the dinghy by its strongest point. You can use the dinghy outboard to push the boat if your auxillary misbehaves...not had to do this anger!
Poles can be stowed/removed and dinghy collapsed for canal transits etc.
 
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chrisedwards said:
If you google the yachtbrokers "yachtsnet" - look in their "archive" section and then click on the westerley konsort - you will see a very tidy davit arrangement. The Konsort has a transom hung rudder just like yours. Still not perfect however - I will send you pics of my arrangement shortly.
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Thanks Chris, just tool a look and that looks like the idea, I have been looking at Plastimo davits which look very similar to these, however I need to locate some brackets to fix to transom rather than through deck as supplied.
I would be interested in your pics.
 
chrisedwards said:
If you google the yachtbrokers "yachtsnet" - look in their "archive" section and then click on the westerley konsort - you will see a very tidy davit arrangement. The Konsort has a transom hung rudder just like yours. Still not perfect however - I will send you pics of my arrangement shortly.
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akela said:
I have a Moody 29 also. To solve the towing/stowage of the dinghy I looked into this http://www.dinghy-tow.com/

It was very pricey around £2000 ! So made my own for about £300 in 2005. It was a simple project, the hardest part was working out lengths/angles etc.

It works extremely well and makes fitting the outboard very safe and easy by pulling the the dinghy up to the transom and attaching it from the cockpit. Boarding is safe, towing in heavy seas is no problem as your are towing the dinghy by its strongest point. You can use the dinghy outboard to push the boat if your auxillary misbehaves...not had to do this anger!
Poles can be stowed/removed and dinghy collapsed for canal transits etc.
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Thanks for the info about Dingy- Tow Akela, I have already seen your arrangement - you kindly showed me ! (Kestrel) I am exploring the alternatives before I decide which system to fit. I did contact dingy-tow in Ontario out of interest, but they emailed back saying their systems are not compatible with outboard rudders and offset stern ladder. The offset stern ladder does seem to be a problem even with your arrangement.
Regards
 
Boeingdr said:
Thanks for the info about Dingy- Tow Akela, I have already seen your arrangement - you kindly showed me ! (Kestrel) I am exploring the alternatives before I decide which system to fit. I did contact dingy-tow in Ontario out of interest, but they emailed back saying their systems are not compatible with outboard rudders and offset stern ladder. The offset stern ladder does seem to be a problem even with your arrangement.
Regards
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Derrrrrr ! So I did ! another senior moment to add to the list.
 
Here , as promised , is the perfect arrangement - simple , elegant and immensly strong - I sit in the dinghy and steer with my feet. The davits are easy to buy - notice how long they are because the secret is to mount them inside your cockpit. the top fitting is a simple clamp and the bottom one a tube. This arrangement allows for adjustment including up and down so you can have your dinghy above your rudder. Like yours my boat is only 28 feet and a high stowage is preferable as the dinghy can get alarmingly close to the water when heeling. You will notice that I have my davits set as high as possible - they can be lower with the dinghy nearer the davit ends but the longer the falls the more stable the dinghy is.

Just for interest - I have davits because my overwhelming interest is in sailing and not using the engine. My whole boat is designed with this in mind - long keel, deep forefoot and the junk ketch rig for instant and total control. The davits allow me to quickly launch a dinghy to take a warp ashore or to a buoy and operate a kedge anchor.



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chrisedwards said:
Here , as promised , is the perfect arrangement - simple , elegant and immensly strong - I sit in the dinghy and steer with my feet. The davits are easy to buy - notice how long they are because the secret is to mount them inside your cockpit. the top fitting is a simple clamp and the bottom one a tube. This arrangement allows for adjustment including up and down so you can have your dinghy above your rudder. Like yours my boat is only 28 feet and a high stowage is preferable as the dinghy can get alarmingly close to the water when heeling. You will notice that I have my davits set as high as possible - they can be lower with the dinghy nearer the davit ends but the longer the falls the more stable the dinghy is.






Looks like a strong setup, you say that the davits are easy to buy, most that I have seen do not seem to be as high to allow that installation. Do you know where to source them? Did you have the clips / brackets specially manufactured, I am finding difficulty sourcing suitable brackets for 60mm tube.
thanks
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Boeingdr said:
chrisedwards said:
Here , as promised , is the perfect arrangement - simple , elegant and immensly strong - I sit in the dinghy and steer with my feet. The davits are easy to buy - notice how long they are because the secret is to mount them inside your cockpit. the top fitting is a simple clamp and the bottom one a tube. This arrangement allows for adjustment including up and down so you can have your dinghy above your rudder. Like yours my boat is only 28 feet and a high stowage is preferable as the dinghy can get alarmingly close to the water when heeling. You will notice that I have my davits set as high as possible - they can be lower with the dinghy nearer the davit ends but the longer the falls the more stable the dinghy is.






Looks like a strong setup, you say that the davits are easy to buy, most that I have seen do not seem to be as high to allow that installation. Do you know where to source them? Did you have the clips / brackets specially manufactured, I am finding difficulty sourcing suitable brackets for 60mm tube.
thanks
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The davits are "Osculati" - easy to find on the internet. I had the fittings made by a club member - they are very basic and therefore cheap to make. - note part of the clamp is an off the shelf fitting which my friend welded onto a plate - photos attached. The davits are 40mm tube. Let me know if you would like any further info.
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Dingy-Tow

"I have a Moody 29 also. To solve the towing/stowage of the dinghy I looked into this http://www.dinghy-tow.com/"

Many thanks for this - ingenious.

I guess that this set-up rules out stern-to mooring, which I can live with, but I would be concerned about issues with using a stern anchor - difficulty in deploying, potential for fouling etc. Do you have any comments on this please?
 
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