Cutty Sark on fire

[cliffordpope]

Re: Cutty Sark on fire re: jonjo

The operative words here are "damage limitation" and "going in straight after an incident". My point was that everything hangs on action in the first few minutes. One man on regular patrol with a B&Q fire extinguisher can nip a fire in the bud that the fire brigade can only sit back and watch while they try and contact someone to tell them there are no gas cylinders inside.
Or an automatic sprinkler system deal with even before the first 999 call.

 

[Bajansailor]

Re: Cutty Sark on fire re: jonjo

This could be the ideal opportunity now to build a 'new' Cutty Sark - or a new hull, using back the masts, deckhouses and everything else that had been taken off the ship previously.

She would still be the Cutty Sark, because she would have just been re-built, and she would still have a lot of the old vessel in her.
If the J Yachts like Endeavour can claim to be restored originals because one of the original frames was kept for posterity (or something like that), then the Cutty Sark can also be regarded as such, when re-built.

And the cost of building a new (steel?) hull would probably be less than the cost of restoring the old timber hull with cast iron frames.

And if they go down this route, then it might even be possible to get her afloat and sailing again!

 

[smth448]

Re: Cutty Sark on fire re: jonjo

Just think what a marvellous sight such a restored ship would be. If the Cutty Sark had been kept in the water and conatantly maintained she would have been in a much better state of repair than a dried out museum piece in a dry dock. Use as much as possible of the hull and re-build her. Put her in the water and user her as a sail training ship. It would cost less money than Larry Ellison has just wasted on the America's cup. Surely we could raise the money in this country.

 

[jonjo]

Re: What debate

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The operative words here are...

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Not sure what we are debating any more, I disagree that firefighting is exclusively motivated by saving lives at risk.

I agree with your earlier posting that questions need to be asked about protection measures taken during the restoration. Given the prior 40 years of neglect and now this debacle, can the present governors of the Cutty Sark Trust be trusted?

The media reporting has been extremely limp so far today, not one probing question.

 

[peterb]

Re: Cutty Sark on fire re: jonjo

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Just think what a marvellous sight such a restored ship would be. If the Cutty Sark had been kept in the water and conatantly maintained she would have been in a much better state of repair than a dried out museum piece in a dry dock. Use as much as possible of the hull and re-build her. Put her in the water and user her as a sail training ship. It would cost less money than Larry Ellison has just wasted on the America's cup. Surely we could raise the money in this country.

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I suspect that she would not be able to get under the Dartford Bridge, so she couldn't be berthed at Greenwich.

 

[mcframe]

Re: Cutty Sark on fire re: jonjo

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This one here. Sounds like they might be considering a change of heart?

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That's the one - luckily the council have refused to grant permission for its destruction.

I'd be more upset were the Cutty Sark a ship and not (since 1954?) a large ship-shaped paperweight.

'course If they had released the CS from it's concrete tomb in Greenwich, who knows what pacific shoal it might have flounderd on...

 

[Andrew_Fanner]

Re: Cutty Sark on fire re: jonjo

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I suspect that she would not be able to get under the Dartford Bridge, so she couldn't be berthed at Greenwich.
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Good point, but surely you could sway down the royal poles. I note that Nauticalia are already offering to put some of the take form their largest Cutty Sark model towards the restoration. Hope there is a "conditional on restoration to working" clause.

 

[snowleopard]

Re: Cutty Sark on fire re: jonjo

I rather doubt an iron-framed hull could be made seaworthy again or kept so without a keel-up rebuild, in which case it would really be a replica with a few original parts.

In any case I can't see H&S allowing it in anything like its original form.

 

[cliffordpope]

Re: Cutty Sark on fire re: jonjo

It sounds as if they ought to scrap the CS and use the rigging and fittings on the City of Adelaide. There is no point in building two replicas - which is the better starting point?

 

[snooks]

I saw her today...

I saw her today, she's in a sorry state...you can't see much from the outside, but once inside the police restricted area, she's a really sad sight...But apparently it's not as bad as it looks because most of the planks from the freeboard had been removed and weren't, as it looks, burnt away.

She does look like the blackend skeleton with her ribs in the air, surrounded by scaffolding, with strings of melted white tarpaulin around the outside and the smell of a bonfire the day after. We were not allowed on board as it's still a police crime scene, but apparently we will in a few days.