crusing chute & spinaker

Hmmm..... /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Both I supose, to trim it I have to get it up...if you see what I mean..
Oh! not for racing. Just that I need to explain in simple terms to SWMBO exactly what we have to do on a 35 footer, not the same as my little 30' Moody. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

poter
 
Can't provide the piccies, but when I explained to SWMBO that the cruising chute was just like a giant genoa, without a forestay to clip it to, she pretty much immediately got what I meant.....

As for the spinnaker.... well..... I hoist that... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
Cruising chute has to be one of the easiest sails to set - sail on a broad reach - let it out till the luff just starts to twitter (no, not the sort the SWMBO does - the important little fluttering ... yup - thats the one!) then your at "full power" ... most ppl oversheet it slightly so it is less likely to colapse though...
If it starts colapsing from the middle then your sailing too deep and need to head up to present the sail to the wind again...

The spinny is pretty much the same, except you've got to worry about pole set and tack height ... not impossible, but cruising chute is much simpler... but you can sail dead down wind with a spinny...
 
Poter,
here is my Cruising chute list of equipment and location:

8mm Shackle on Bow Roller, connected to
10mm Snap Shackle Turning Block for tack line,
Furling Gear Stanchion Lead block, swivelling to back upright of Pulpit, carrying tack line.
3 Furling Gear Stanchion Lead blocks, fixed to each Stanchion leading aft , carrying tack line.
Spinlock XAS Single block Clutch , mounted close to toe rail about 500mm forward of aft stanchion, for controlling tack line.
100mm Double Turning Block on aft stanchion (stbd), Lower for tack line, upper for Cruising chute sheet.
Tackline, 10mm Braid on Braid Poly 1.75 x length of boat with Snap Shackle at Bow end. This length allows the sail to be gathered into the cockpit hatchway without going forward when taking it down.

2 10mm Braid on Braid Poly 2x length of boat with snap shackle for sheets.
1x 4mm Spectra line 2x length of boat with poly shackle as light airs replacement sheet.

Jammer close to winch to temporarily control sheet or tack line while adjusting on the run.

100mm Double Turning Block on aft stanchion (port), Lower for furling gear line, upper for Cruising chute sheet.

The choice of chute is yours
A standard cross cut chute is cheaper but IMHO it does not allow the sail to be set much forward of the beam, but is cheaper
A tri radial, which is closer to an assymetric spinnaker in cut and shape, which is what I have. This sail allows me to trim up to 60 degrees, which is close to Genoa performance, in light airs.

The method I use to get it up is to attach the bag on the rail near the shrouds, and lead all lines back to it.
I lead my lazy sheet around the front of the sail, so when I gybe, the whole sail goes out and round, rather than through the gap between sail and forestay. Some let the tack line well off to facilitate this gap, but I prefer the long route so far.
I am sure the sailmaker will have marked head, clew & tack!
Roll away Genoa and stow sheets off the winch.
Tack line secured in Clutch, sheet loose but secure on winch with a few feet spare. Lazy sheet flaked out so it does not jam.
Bear away beyond a beam reach if possible so the sail is blanketed by the main on the way up.
Hoist the halyard.
Pull tack line to about 3 feet clear of bow fitting roller and lock,
Bring the boat back to proper course
Sheet sail approriately....

I also have a snuffer which is great on the way down but a beggars muddle to set up on deck first due to the long sausage nature of the thing and keeping hold of that dratted rotational line for snuffing. It also looks like a bag of washing at the top of the mast. I will persevere as I paid good money for it, and it makes Lynn feel happy at dousing time......

I use mine up to low F4, and have put it up and got it down single handed with a couple of skipped heartbeats.

It transforms the boats, is easy to trim and control.
It really starts to struggle off the wind at about 150 degees aft, you can (I do) pole it out with either a whisker pole or a spinny pole. I have also goosewinged the thing but it is rock and roll when the wind puffs fitfully.

Getting it down is easy too. depower the thing with the sheet, allow the tack line about 8-10 feet of slack, bear away so it is blanketed by the main, then haul the sheet over the hatchway. Let the halyard go , and pull until its all on the floor below.

I hope you enjoy it. After years of racing with a spinnaker, and then coming to a chute, I am not going back !









Chute4.jpg

Shows sheet arrangement, and well upwind!

Chute1.jpg

Shows that 'orrible washing bag at the top of the mast


Chute3.jpg

Shows the tack line at the bow


FullCircleCruisingChute.jpg


Shows the tack line (green), and the sheet leading aft
 
Hi Jim

Nice post. I am interested in your double turning blocks on the stanchions as I am about to drill holes in a nice shiny new deck to fit pad-eyes for my Chute blocks.

Are your winches aft of these stanchion blocks or forward? I cannot remember where my stanchions are in relation to the winches (Which are quite far aft on our boat) but it may be worth considering as it means no holes in the deck.

Are you comfortable with the strength of the stanchion blocks/stanchions as I guess the shock loads on the sheet when the chute flaps around could be quite high.

Interested in your comments.

Cheers

Wayne
 
Wayne,
slight slip there on my part.
My previous Jouet had a reinforced ring welded to stanchion and a large base, which I used.
That arrangement was also on the SJ35 I used to sail, and we made that suffer on many occasions!!!!
The current Jeanneau is a Wichard Padeye in the deck. Oops.
My winches are forward of the sheets .

Dont think the loads should be very high, as my 835sq ft Chute makes the boat heel alarmingly in anything over high end of F4, and thus time to put it away and play on another day. haven't had any problems with the arrangement.
 
Cheers Jim, Guess I'll go and drill some holes to mount my Wichard pad eyes.

Just have to wait for the chute to be delivered now and then we can go play.

Yours looks like a Crusader sail too. We have gone for their Tri Radial which interestingly was the same price as a radial head from most other folks.

W
 
Thats the second one I've had from Crusader. They didnt charge me extra for 7 colours either.
1st was a 390sq ft fractional for the Jouet, and this is a 835 sq ft masthead. Very economical, and not through use of cheap cloth either.
 
Re: crusing chute spinaker

Well, actually Your Honour, Lynn & I came up with that as a sort of representation of Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon. Here is a pic of Chute number 1 of this design, on our previous Jouet 680.

If you see two identical looking kites coming toward you on the Crouch, its because Second Chance will also be sailing that day, as well as us.

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See! We like it.

Dont bother applying for that job with the Diplomatic Corps!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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