Cruising in Spain after 30th March

Resolution said:
Interesting then to read the following extract from the Raleigh website:

We're now part of the Accell Group, a European-based company who own a collection of Bicycle and Accessory brands throughout Europe and North America. Our partnership with Accell Group allows us to share knowledge, technology and innovations between these brands to deliver the best possible product for our customers.
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Europe on the sly eh, 100% tariff right there! Those kids can walk to school in their Clarks' shoes as far as I'm concerned. Though I heard a rumour, Clarks are in fact made in China, India, Brazil, and Vietnam.

Bloody EU has the Brazilians speaking Portuguese. Do you want to speak Portuguese here? No, so that's a straight 1000% tariff then ;)
 
captmikecoin said:
Has anyone seen this from the Spanish Government?

WITHOUT AGREEMENT

I have a British pleasure boat licence. Will British licences be recognised after Brexit?


No. Spanish legislation recognises licences from European countries, meaning that any licences issued by the United Kingdom for sailing private pleasure boats will no longer be recognised and their owners should either obtain a Spanish licence or a licence issued by another Member State of the European Union.



(Note: The Government of Spain is studying possible contingency measures for transport issues within the scope of its powers)

http://www.lamoncloa.gob.es/lang/en/brexit/howtoprepare/Paginas/190109transport.aspx

Any comments?

Mike

PS If this should have been posted in the Brexit forum, sorry but I couldn't find it!
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Go to the website this is referring to people RESIDENT in Spanish territories which makes perfect sense. If you are visiting then your ICC covers you. If you live in Spain you will need an EU driving licence as well. Americans living in the UK have to move to a UK driving licence after three months I think, but tourists can hire cars on either an International Driving licence or a domestic one (depending upon country).
 
captmikecoin said:
Has anyone seen this from the Spanish Government?

WITHOUT AGREEMENT

I have a British pleasure boat licence. Will British licences be recognised after Brexit?


No. Spanish legislation recognises licences from European countries, meaning that any licences issued by the United Kingdom for sailing private pleasure boats will no longer be recognised and their owners should either obtain a Spanish licence or a licence issued by another Member State of the European Union.



(Note: The Government of Spain is studying possible contingency measures for transport issues within the scope of its powers)

http://www.lamoncloa.gob.es/lang/en/brexit/howtoprepare/Paginas/190109transport.aspx

Any comments?

Mike

PS If this should have been posted in the Brexit forum, sorry but I couldn't find it!
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I'm not sure there is such a thing as a British Pleasure Boat Licence. Most people have an ICC which, as the name implies, is an International Certificate of Competence. The issuing country should be irrelevant - after all it's not as if people from outside the EU never sail in Spanish waters.
 
The The ICC applies to visitors but not to residents. So if you are resident in Spanish territories you will need a Spanish Licence.
 
captmikecoin said:
Has anyone seen this from the Spanish Government?

WITHOUT AGREEMENT

I have a British pleasure boat licence. Will British licences be recognised after Brexit?


No. Spanish legislation recognises licences from European countries, meaning that any licences issued by the United Kingdom for sailing private pleasure boats will no longer be recognised and their owners should either obtain a Spanish licence or a licence issued by another Member State of the European Union.

(Note: The Government of Spain is studying possible contingency measures for transport issues within the scope of its powers)

http://www.lamoncloa.gob.es/lang/en/brexit/howtoprepare/Paginas/190109transport.aspx

Any comments?

Mike

PS If this should have been posted in the Brexit forum, sorry but I couldn't find it!
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Rather exemplifies the differences between Spain and Portugal!:encouragement::cool:
 
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Seven Spades said:
The The ICC applies to visitors but not to residents. So if you are resident in Spanish territories you will need a Spanish Licence.
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I think that is not quite correct depending on the circumstances. I am a Brit resident in Spain and when I took out my residency I imported both my car and boat free of matriculation tax within the 4 week limit for this ´discount´.

Paw Paw is UK part 1 registered and flagged and as a Spanish resident I was issued with a paper allowing me to keep the boat in Spanish waters British flagged and not require a Spanish boat driving licence. I have twice been inspected by the Maritime Guardia Civil and they were fine with it all and I now have a further paper from them stating all is OK and further inspection is not required.

If you register your boat as a Spanish flagged boat then in theory you need a Spanish sailing certificate although I know of several boats registered in this way where the owners do not have this driving licence and have been inspected by the Guardia Civil without comment.

The UK tourist 2nd home and resident situation is economically important to the Spanish and their web sites in English demonstrate how much they want to retain this source of income: http://www.lamoncloa.gob.es/lang/en/brexit/howtoprepare/Paginas/index.aspx

What I do wonder about is the VAT situation once we leave ...-
 
Yes that is the current position, but I think that the situation will change following Brexit. At the moment they are mutually recognising the UK ICC. But once we leave the situation changes and they will still have to recognise it for visitors as it is covered by international treaty, but not for residents. I think that is the meaning of that website.

How this affects people chartering Spanish flagged vessels I don't know.
 
dom said:
Yeah great idea, just don't suggest it too loudly in Oxford, Crewe, or Chichester where all those mini, Bentley and Rolls Royce staff will be out of a job! Not to mention wrecking all those dealerships, service centres,.....
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Yeah, to compound their stupidness they will shut down their profitable business in the UK?
 
Paw Paw said:
I think that is not quite correct depending on the circumstances. I am a Brit resident in Spain and when I took out my residency I imported both my car and boat free of matriculation tax within the 4 week limit for this ´discount´.

Paw Paw is UK part 1 registered and flagged and as a Spanish resident I was issued with a paper allowing me to keep the boat in Spanish waters British flagged and not require a Spanish boat driving licence. I have twice been inspected by the Maritime Guardia Civil and they were fine with it all and I now have a further paper from them stating all is OK and further inspection is not required.

If you register your boat as a Spanish flagged boat then in theory you need a Spanish sailing certificate although I know of several boats registered in this way where the owners do not have this driving licence and have been inspected by the Guardia Civil without comment.

The UK tourist 2nd home and resident situation is economically important to the Spanish and their web sites in English demonstrate how much they want to retain this source of income: http://www.lamoncloa.gob.es/lang/en/brexit/howtoprepare/Paginas/index.aspx

What I do wonder about is the VAT situation once we leave ...-
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Can you provide summary of how you did this we are considering going down this road.
 
steveallan said:
Can you provide summary of how you did this we are considering going down this road.
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Everything in Spain is governed by the NIE for foreigners. The identification document. Within 3 weeks of registering it you can import free of matriculation tax major items like boats cars planes etc.. How to do it on this link

http://www.michaelbriant.com/how_to_register.htm

The boat was imported free of Matriculation tax, kept its UK flag and therefore I do not need Spanish sailing certificates to skipper the boat. Have been inspected several times by Guardia Civil and on production of the import document they were satisfied all was legal.

scroll down to just past the house for sale advert.

The important thing is to get together all the documentation you need to import the items before you register at the police national station for your NIE. I used a Spanish maritime lawyer in Barcelona to do the boat and the cars etc I did myself.

This page was good ' accurate up to Brexit and for matriculation tax will be valid afterwards. The only thing that concerns me post Brexit is VAT - or IVA as it is called in Spain.

One view is that a VAT item paid whilst the UK was a member of the EU would be considered paid post Brexit. The other view is that VAT - IVA is payable by the importer of a non EU country.... I think VAT is the major issue for all of us...

Importing your car is covered by this web page http://www.michaelbriant.com/car_import.htm
 
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