Costs to lift, clean and antifoul a 14-15m FB around Nice?

[A_8]

Still searching for our next boat and have spent the week around Nice look at a few. Non of them are prepped for the season and I realize there will be a turning point during the spring when boats for sale are expected to be serviced, antifoiled and overall ready for the season and everything else equal may also show on prices as we get closer to the summer.
I forgot to ask the brokers on this but hope some of you guys can help.
Is there a marina/port within 20nm or so from Nice that that you would suggest and how much would it cost to have this done?
If I wanted to do it myself and only needed the lift, pressure wash and a week on the hard what marina would you suggest and what would the costs be?

 

[markc]

In June 2018 I paid approx 2300 euros for a lift, jet wash, prop clean and antifoul in Port Santa Lucia in St Raphael. Boat is approx 17m. With a hull polish, anodes, new bow thruster prop and genny service, the total was approx 5500 euros.

 

[mcanderson]

Doing work yourself can be difficult as most of the ports have a chantier who runs the boat works side of the house and they can restrict who does what in their yards.

Here is a link to Riviera Ports which run a few places and might be helpful. You can choose your tradesmen. http://www.riviera-ports.com/en/boatyard-0

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

I use de Stefano in Port Vauban, Antibes. For c.12m I pay about 1100 euros for lift, antifoul and launch. They are ok with external contractors in the yard.

 

[jfm]

Yup in my experience most yards want to do the anti foul not just lift the boat for you to diy. But an excellent exception is the yard at Cannes vieux port which provides just a lift and block off facility then you diy or get your own tradesmen. I’m using them this year. There is an online quote generator- use link in Mcanderson post above.

If you want full service then I’d expect ballpark €4K. Extra if you want hi tech anti foul. All will quote but beware add ons to final bill (elec, water, environmental, etc) Bleumer is ok and responds quickly to quote requests on website http://chantierbleumer.com. I’ve used them plenty - my boat is on his homepage. Between Antibes and Nice- baie des anges marina with a crane that is nicely sheltered from wind so it’s easy to drive into the crane dock.

 

[Portofino]

These guys this place will meet all your requirements + much more .
We DIY it all ( I retired early ) .

http://www.ariedeboom.com/yacht-services#

Drop them an email sylvie is the booking lady ,it’s a family run set up and note the shop sells everything or orders it in for that pm or next am .

We just book a lift ,jet wash and block off . about a week you pay / day so if fin early just PAYG for the days .

Beauty of this yard is If get stuck helpful guys are at hand in or out of the workshop .

Eg I rounded the oil drain bolt ( duff socket ) on a oil filter canister on a MAN engine .messily got the whole thing off and took it into the engine shed and asked a technician how to remove it .
He spent 1/2 hrs with some special kits and vice and freed it off ,New part a available in the shop .

If you ask nicely you can borrow there tools , you walk by them all hanging up on the wall on silhouetted holders .
They are quit relaxed about and so I,am I - saves pratting about time wasting in DIY shops looking for “ unobtainium “ tools .

They run and account on your boat in the shop so you go to the counter and say , “ I need a 3 inch brush “ or grit size 800 emery paper ‘ or whatvever ,
There oils and parts are competitive or even cheaper ,
One year I thought I was clever and bought 60 L ( my engines take 32 each ) via 3x 20 L drums online inc Del .

Normally I just buy Arie d booms diesel 10/40 W - currently Fina - kappa turbo stuff ( correct MAN spec btw ) in multiple 5 L standard containers , but I thought it would be cheaper to go online and it would be cheaper in less packaging.
Turned out more expensive in terms of €/ L and PITA getting it into the engines .So lesson learnt .

Before launch you pop into the office and settle up your account .

They have a price sheet for the lifts can,t remember exactly sorry .
But about ball park for 14.5 M €260 out €230 in and €190 jet wash off - takes about 2 hours to do it properly.
Then about €40 / day + a small environment levey . Water and electricity nominal €5 / day .

Lift antifoul , Polish , anodes , + oil for me is €1500 -takes about 3 days . 3 blokes
Does not inc labour as we provide that a boys week for 3 of us .

Engine parts about another € 5/600 - again free labour

We kip on board ( they allow that ) there’s some good bars / restaurants across in the Port la Rague 2min walk .

Tend to use 2x 5 L of antifoul from there shop less than €200 / tin ..They use Venezia stuff it’s Italian -sell it and use if you contract them like MarkC does .You can supply your own + own engineers .
They supply all anodes in the shop inc geny and bow thrusters .France helixes ( Cote d Azur ) whole salers do twice dailey delivery’s .

They are full boat repairs , They did the glass replacement , they fit stabs , they do all the sterngear stuff , wraps , and are full VP agents + Cummings + evenrude .
I had them replace all the black coolant pipes in the ER , all the sea cocks , gear box hydraulic pipes - they make them up.

As you can see it’s pretty sheltered fwiw .

Hope this helps .

Ps the walk through the engine shed is a real eye opener , rows of engines in various states of dismantling waiting repairs , majority one colour .But I,am not telling !

 

[Portofino]

Just one more thing they use tripods on the chines and plenty of metal cages to support the keel .
Before the final lowering the guys taps the hull near the keel , before the final fwd / aft placement of the keel supports .
Presumably to finally place it on a thick sounding part .They do it every block off .

It may be nothing , it may be important I think it’s is important to put it down in a controlled way .
I did ask him the operator and he told me some boats flex which leads to micro cracks in the gel coat and those with large hull windows ,like owners mid cabins cracked glass ,or generally popped window seals = leaks later on .

Many yards just plonk the boat on a randomly laid out set of wooden blocks , which lets face it arn,t as millimetric dimension wise than metal fabricated cages .
So is you hull best supported or is it ever so slightly bending ? You tell me ?

 

[A_8]

Great info as usual...many thanks all!

Very much agree on placing the keel supports, I think it's critical on some boats and it took me a few lifts to take seriously and if you understand your boat structurally you can mark the areas to help the yard find the right places. You can also get an indication on how well placed the supports are by "jumping" (not the right word but sort of use your body weight to see if the boat swings/move slightly up and down) If it does the keel supports are in the wrong or soft areas of the keel. They can still mess it up off course by not placing them at the right height etc if more than two are used.

I remember looking at a full beam mid cabin boat on the hard last year and the fridge door did not open or fit as it should. I already knew why having looked at how it was supported but asked the yard to test their knowledge or possibly candor and guess what...they said the floor boards was too dry being stored inside (epoxied marine plywood) and it would fix itself when the boat was back in the water! The last part was true but most likely with permanent damage to the hull.

Another question on getting the boat ready for the season, when do most owners have this done in this area? Or put it another way is there a period (Feb to .June) when it will be crowded on the hard that one should try and avoid?

 

[mcanderson]

Things will pick up from Easter, and drop off in July. The season starts in May in earnest with both the Cannes film show and then the Monaco GP in mid to late May. This is the start of the charter season and will drive yard availability.

 

[Portofino]

Great info as usual...many thanks all!

Very much agree on placing the keel supports, I think it's critical on some boats and it took me a few lifts to take seriously and if you understand your boat structurally you can mark the areas to help the yard find the right places. You can also get an indication on how well placed the supports are by "jumping" (not the right word but sort of use your body weight to see if the boat swings/move slightly up and down) If it does the keel supports are in the wrong or soft areas of the keel. They can still mess it up off course by not placing them at the right height etc if more than two are used.

I remember looking at a full beam mid cabin boat on the hard last year and the fridge door did not open or fit as it should. I already knew why having looked at how it was supported but asked the yard to test their knowledge or possibly candor and guess what...they said the floor boards was too dry being stored inside (epoxied marine plywood) and it would fix itself when the boat was back in the water! The last part was true but most likely with permanent damage to the hull.

Another question on getting the boat ready for the season, when do most owners have this done in this area? Or put it another way is there a period (Feb to .June) when it will be crowded on the hard that one should try and avoid?

Bingo on the first and second paragraph .:encouragement:

Mid April through May is busy and you need to book .I normally book mid Feb for the 1st week in May .
It’s just a case of wanting clean sterngear and reasonable smooth fresh bottom AF and new oil / fresh filters etc for what’s to come .

 

[Portofino]

Great info as usual...many thanks all!

Very much agree on placing the keel supports, I think it's critical on some boats and it took me a few lifts to take seriously and if you understand your boat structurally you can mark the areas to help the yard find the right places. You can also get an indication on how well placed the supports are by "jumping" (not the right word but sort of use your body weight to see if the boat swings/move slightly up and down) If it does the keel supports are in the wrong or soft areas of the keel. They can still mess it up off course by not placing them at the right height etc if more than two are used.

I remember looking at a full beam mid cabin boat on the hard last year and the fridge door did not open or fit as it should. I already knew why having looked at how it was supported but asked the yard to test their knowledge or possibly candor and guess what...they said the floor boards was too dry being stored inside (epoxied marine plywood) and it would fix itself when the boat was back in the water! The last part was true but most likely with permanent damage to the hull.

Another question on getting the boat ready for the season, when do most owners have this done in this area? Or put it another way is there a period (Feb to .June) when it will be crowded on the hard that one should try and avoid?

Bingo on the first and second paragraph .:encouragement:

Mid April through May is busy and you need to book .I normally book mid Feb for the 1st week in May .
It’s just a case of wanting clean sterngear and reasonable smooth fresh bottom AF and new oil / fresh filters etc for what’s to come .