Costs for move to Windermere - lift off (trailer), hard storage, mast up, launch?

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Finding it difficult to sell our Jaguar 25 and so I am seriously considering moving it up north to either North Wales (Conwy or Holyhead) or Windermere. All options would be to a swinging mooring. I am looking at solo sailing and so feel Windermere would be less daunting given that I have never done it before.
Costing the move for Conwy and Holyhead is simple with the costs given on the relevant websites. However, costs for lift off (trailer), hard storage, mast up, launch at Windermere are difficult to come by. Can anyone advise please?
 
If the boat could be towed on a trailer behind a 4x4 and you opt for a South Lakeland District Council swinging mooring on the lake and the mast could be raised by the warden's mast lift then launch and mast raising may not cost extra.

Talk to the wardens search for Windermere Lake Wardens Ferry Nab.

If you need a truck, crane lift in and mast raising then speak to Maiden Marine, Windermere Aquatics or (I think) Shepherds at Marina Village. They have the only cranes on the lake.
 
Have you thought about lowering and raising the mast yourself? Your Jag 25 is a UK built Catalina 25 - I have the Aussie built version and raise and lower the mast by myself with an A frame. It is easier though with two people! The frame is two aluminium tubes flattened at each end. A threaded rod through the bow end with a metal strip with holes in the middle - one end connects to a rope round the anchor roller and back to a winch and the other to the forestay. Fix a small piece of aluminium angle to each of the aft ends and to the chain plates. Leave some movement in the nuts and bolts.
If you haven't seen it before, have a look at the forum on www.catalina-capri-25s.org. There are photos of how to do it under Technical Tips.
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Yes, once you have a moorings sorted out on Windermere, I have found the Lake wardens immensely helpful and yes, they have all the equip to get you in the water. If it coming off a trailer, you could step the mast just before in the rigging area of the car park, about 3 quid an hour or something.(if enough of you, and if I was there at the same time, would certainly help) then back it down to the slip way and bobs yer uncle it's in the water. I have a mooring in sour pool wyke which is a short row from the ferry nab. At least with windermere, you are not tied to tides etc, and just rock up when you fancy it. I have also found maiden marine very useful, and they went out to my turd and put 2 new strops on, before a storm was forecast and no rip off prices. Oh, and if you are on Facebook, go to the boat transportation page, there is a guy there called Ian stewart who transported my Snapdragon 23 from Woodbridge to Ullswater (500 quid), he is often kicking around the area on other jobs.
 
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sailorbaz said:
Have you thought about lowering and raising the mast yourself? Your Jag 25 is a UK built Catalina 25 - I have the Aussie built version and raise and lower the mast by myself with an A frame. .....
If you haven't seen it before, have a look at the forum on www.catalina-capri-25s.org. There are photos of how to do it under Technical Tips.
Sailorbaz
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There is also a video of it being done on YouTube with a Catalina 25. However, I am in Liverpool and the boat is in Portsmouth so not enough time to build, install and test when all I want to do is get it moved. Pre-retirement I was a chartered mechanical engineer.
 
Capt. Clueless said:
Yes, once you have a moorings sorted out on Windermere, I have found the Lake wardens immensely helpful and yes, they have all the equip to get you in the water. If it coming off a trailer, you could step the mast just before in the rigging area of the car park, about 3 quid an hour or something.(if enough of you, and if I was there at the same time, would certainly help) then back it down to the slip way and bobs yer uncle it's in the water.

Yes, but I am intending to use a person who (I assume) does not want his shiny trailer dipped into Windermere.
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Jaguar 25 said:
Capt. Clueless said:
Yes, once you have a moorings sorted out on Windermere, I have found the Lake wardens immensely helpful and yes, they have all the equip to get you in the water. If it coming off a trailer, you could step the mast just before in the rigging area of the car park, about 3 quid an hour or something.(if enough of you, and if I was there at the same time, would certainly help) then back it down to the slip way and bobs yer uncle it's in the water.

Yes, but I am intending to use a person who (I assume) does not want his shiny trailer dipped into Windermere.
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Well if thats the case, Unless this person is a very good friend and doing it for a few beer vouchers,then understandable. If it is a professional mover, tell him to shove his trailer right up his backside. A good & reasonable mover will put it in the water on a slip. I'm not getting all this £000's of pounds for a mast hoist and nonsense. The mast hoist is free to licencees to use, a few mates and job done. My transporter helped me step the mast and then backed the boat into the water and slid it off under winch A 25 footer isn't going to be a problem.
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Jaguar 25 said:
Well if thats the case, Unless this person is a very good friend and doing it for a few beer vouchers,then understandable. If it is a professional mover, tell him to shove his trailer right up his backside. A good & reasonable mover will put it in the water on a slip. I'm not getting all this £000's of pounds for a mast hoist and nonsense. The mast hoist is free to licencees to use, a few mates and job done. My transporter helped me step the mast and then backed the boat into the water and slid it off under winch A 25 footer isn't going to be a problem.
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Just spoke to the transporter man and he doesn't think dunking his boat trailer is out of the question. So, may not be too bad.
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Thats better. Don't pay him till it's in the water and unfortunately for him, you'll need to step the mast before.:D:D:D:D:D:D He'll want to help so he can get away. I tipped my transporter 50 quid for all his help at the collection and the drop off. That would have paid for a few beers before his return journey the next day.
 
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Thats better. Don't pay him till it's in the water and unfortunately for him, you'll need to step the mast before.:D:D:D:D:D:D He'll want to help so he can get away. I tipped my transporter 50 quid for all his help at the collection and the drop off. That would have paid for a few beers before his return journey the next day.
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I have told him about needing to step the mast and he was fine with my estimate of about one hour using the Ferry Nab mast hoist (?).
 
The Ferry Nab Mast lift is only accessible after the boat is launched as it straddlles the pontoon north of the slipway. The wardens have to operate it and are very helpful.

I don't know what others would charge but remember cranes are expensive to maintain and certificate and most operations involve at least two workers if not more.
 
I don't know what others would charge but remember cranes are expensive to maintain and certificate and most operations involve at least two workers if not more.[/QUOTE]

I have had "lift off and launch", "lift off and move to hard standing" and "lift from hard standing to launch" using various lifting devices (cranes and tractor based lifting) at Holyhead marina, Liverpool marina, Conwy marina, Thornham marina and Tudor Sailing Club over the period 2012 to 2016. The most that I have been charged is £160. The crane lift at Liverpool involved four operatives. I doubt that Maiden Marine pays its workers any more than any of the other marinas, most of which have a similar monopoly.
 
Jaguar 25 said:
I don't know what others would charge but remember cranes are expensive to maintain and certificate and most operations involve at least two workers if not more.
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I have had "lift off and launch", "lift off and move to hard standing" and "lift from hard standing to launch" using various lifting devices (cranes and tractor based lifting) at Holyhead marina, Liverpool marina, Conwy marina, Thornham marina and Tudor Sailing Club over the period 2012 to 2016. The most that I have been charged is £160. The crane lift at Liverpool involved four operatives. I doubt that Maiden Marine pays its workers any more than any of the other marinas, most of which have a similar monopoly.[/QUOTE]

I doubt that the cranes at the sites on Windermere get used as much as elsewhere so the cost base is smaller. Space for boat storage at the 3 commercial operators is very limited so there will not be much beginning and end of season lift ins/outs.

£300 (assuming £60 goes to the government) does not seem outrageous for what would be 2-3 hrs work plus crane for at least a couple of guys.

They charged me £50 for replacing an aerial bracket at the top of the mast, which I was happy to pay for the convenience. Although I can drop and do drop my mast myself I would have had a 4 hour round trip to get the tackle and at least 2 or 3 hours doing it. The wardens mast lift was not in commission at the time.

As it was I went for a coffee for an hour.
 
Capt. Clueless said:
Great, looks like it's all coming together now. Have you been issued a mooring yet? Be interesting to know where it is.
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At the moment, I am trying to sell our Jaguar 25 in Portsmouth. If I succeed I will be buying a new boat with a trailer so there wouldn't be any issues as I could launch myself from Fr#erry Nab. If it doesn't sell soon, the fall back position is to take it to Conwy, Holyhead or Windermere, so I haven't yet applied for a mooring at Windermere. Supposedly we have a keen viewer for the Jaguar this Sunday. Viewing delayed as my son, who lives locally to Portsmouth, is in France at the moment. We have already 'sold' it twice; the first time the winning bidder on the eBay auction told me he wanted to view first to see if he wanted it. I told him that the advert stressed the need to view before bidding but he said Portsmouth was a long way from Manchester! Anyway, I wouldn't let him view and he now has one strike against him on eBay. The second buyer didn't want to pay up front (he had viewed) given that he couldn't move the boat until July, didn't want to pay a holding deposit either. He isn't a sailor but has an apartment in Port Solent.
I am also trying to sell a small 20 foot canal boat, someone just asked if it had a shower! Someone else wanted to know where you could go to on the canal and thought I was rude when I suggested he looked at a map. All very frustrating.
 
Ooooo, I wonder if the buyer off Ebay from Manchester who was going to buy your Jag, bought my Snappy on Ullswater instead 3 weeks ago. He was from Manchester, and he'd really got his cock out for my boat and came to the viewing with the purchase money.
 
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