Cost of repainting - second try with PBO...

[MapisM]

I originally posted this on Classic forum, but didn't get any useful feedback.
My guess is that those forumites are more "do it yourself" types...? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Hull painted 5 years ago is now in need of another job, but can't do it on my own.
Considering that there's no need to bring it back to bare wood, what cost would you consider reasonable, for a 52' wooden mobo?
I should get an offer in the next days, but just wanted to be prepared for the shock...
...and compare with other views, anyway.
Tx in advance!

 

[alienzdive]

I assume that you are in Italy from your profile. The labour costs should be slightly less than if in the UK.

It is much cheaper to brush and roll than to have it professionally sprayed. But spraying is a much nicer finish and most people would consider well worth the money. However as it is a timber boat, if the planks are all visible and slightly uneven it may not make much difference asthetically if it is brushed and rolled in single pack enamel and much less sanding and preperation required.

However to have the boat professionally faired up if not already done so is a huge task taking many 100s of hours.

Specify the paint type and the level of finish required and someone may be able to give you a better indication.

200+ hours would not be unusual for a professional spray finish of a boat of that size.

 

[Talbot]

you also have to add in the cost of haul out and re-launch and hard standing + cover - none of which are going to be cheap I believe that Italian prices for this alone are enough to make your eyes water.

 

[Ships_Cat]

I am not in Europe so mileage may differ but following is the basis of recent quotes I have got and are for metal/frp so for planked timber may be more -

All for refurbishment of existing surface in good condition (no dings to repair, little undercoating needed, etc) and few fittings to remove (but was for sailboats so did include removing mast to get them indoors), quality finish using polyurethane finish coats and including simple replacement signwriting (name, port, sheerline stripe). Does not include the lift out and pressure wash.

Labour cost around 5 manhours per square metre to be painted.

Materials, dependant on paint type selected so can work out paint cost from manufacturer's coverage rates and pricing. In the case I referred to materials (including masking, etc) was getting on towards half the labour cost, but in a location with higher labour costs would be less in comparison. A thing to remember when pricing consumables is that the painter will probably get through more consumables than if one did it oneself - refreshing/using consumables is cheaper than extra labour consumed from tired/insufficent consumables.

The above is only one example - can vary alot depending on substrate to be painted, existing condition, location, whether painted indoors or not (indoors is not weather dependant), etc, etc. But whatever, it is not cheap.

Much of the labour is in the preparation rather than the painting itself and so one can substitute one's own "free" labour /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif for significant cost savings - but is a hell of a lot of ones own "free" labour in doing a 50+ foot boat and would keep you busy for a while.

John

 

[MapisM]

Actually, I'm more interested in a long-lasting painting, rather than a nice finish.
Is spray also more durable, besides the better look?
Also, do you have an idea of the relative difference in brush and roll vs. spray.
I mean, how much less workload compared to say 200 hours for spray?

 

[MapisM]

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Labour cost around 5 manhours per square metre to be painted.

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Interesting.
I estimate the total hull surface to be in the region of 100 sq.meters.
Which means 500 manhours - much more than the 200+ estimated by alienzdive.
Or maybe, are you considering also the preparation, whilst he wasn't?

 

[MapisM]

Well, these costs are actually part of routine maintenance.
Dunno if Italian prices are particularly expensive, but obviously not enough to make it worth moving the boat just for this reason. And of course a bit of negotiation helps.

 

[Ships_Cat]

Spray is more durable, if only because it is easier to control film thickness to the specification.

I would suggest that spray is also very much quicker than rolling, and certainly much, much quicker than brushing (or rolling and tipping off with brush which in manhours uses two people). I have seen new builds considerably bigger than your boat have the topsides get a sprayed on coat in well under an hour (never timed it but certainly seen it done within the one hour lunch break while other yard staff were off the boat).

The spraying on is only a smallish part of the total labour cost - so total labour cost will be very dependant on finish required and the preparation needed including dismantling, masking and scaffolding as well as filling/fairing/sanding required to get the desired finish. The figures I referred to were for high quality finish but on an existing good condition substrate with few fittings to remove but did include mast removal (did not include lift and water blast though).

John