nlawley
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I am sailing to Italy next year and am struggling to find the cost of marina mooring. In France and Spain you could find costs on the marina web sites but not in Italy. Can anyone help me to find marina costs in Italy!
Cost of Marinas in Italy
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newtothis
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If you need to know the price, you can't afford it.
Zen Zero
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It depends where in Italy and for how long. If you want to let me have some details I may be able to help you.
nlawley
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I will be sailing along the North West coast to Elba at first, hen to Corsica and then along the rest of the West coast. I think the Corsica marina prices will be on the internet, but not the Italian marinas
Zen Zero
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So, how long will you be stopping for in each place? What time of year? How long and how wide is your boat?
This site here will be very useful for you: http://www.pagineazzurre.com/english/
Here are some other sites you can look at:
http://www.marinadipuntaala.com/en/
http://www.marinacalagalera.com/ita/default.aspx?l=italiano
http://www.rivaditraiano.com/
http://www.marinadinettuno.it/default.asp
Ah Sorry, I have read your post again, you'll be sailing down the West coast of Corsica ... watch out for Mistrals!
... so the Tyrrhenean ports will not be much use to you. I'm afraid I don't know much about Northern Tuscany or Liguria, but I can find out for you.
nlawley
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My boat is 11.85m long, 3.85m wide. We will be sailing through the whole of next year 2014, but will be in North West Italy in April, May for a few nights in each port and a longer stay (2 weeks) in Genoa to visit Milano and Turin). We want to visit San Remo, Genoa, La Spezia, Marina di Pisa, Marina Cala de Medici, Marina di San Vincenzo, Marina di Scarlino. Eventually we will want a berth for JUly and August because in those months we travel home (too hot and too crowded).
bobupanddown
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I have sailed up this coast from Corfu all the way up to Toulon in France. Most marinas are very expensive especially during July and August. I think you will find it impossible to obtain a berth just for JULY and AUGUST as most marinas are filled to capacity.
Most Ports have a couple of berths set aside for transiting Yacht that are FREE for a couple of nights. However they are not generally advertised and you would have to ask the Harbour master directly for these berths.(it helps greatly if you can speak Italian)
Here are a couple of websites with prices
http://www.portodicamerota.it/tariffe.php
http://www.portoditropea.it/
Most Ports have a couple of berths set aside for transiting Yacht that are FREE for a couple of nights. However they are not generally advertised and you would have to ask the Harbour master directly for these berths.(it helps greatly if you can speak Italian)
Here are a couple of websites with prices
http://www.portodicamerota.it/tariffe.php
http://www.portoditropea.it/
Zen Zero
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I see what you mean about published prices! I've only fond one pricelist in the 10 websites I've looked at so far. One thing you should not expect to find in Italy is clarity - in Salerno last year, for example, I was still discovering new variations in price and conditions long after my boat was tied up on the dock!
At Nettuno (further south than your itinerary takes you) your boat will cost €14 a night in April, €33 in May and June, €50 in July and August.
Your itinerary is further North than I've sailed, so I'm afraid I can't help you much. I'd be happy to ask for local advice for you on an Italian sailing forum if you have a specific question.
Italian yacht harbours tend to take 2 distinct forms:
1. Yacht facilities inside commercial ports
2. Purpose built marinas
In the Commercial Port category, you would expect to find several different pontoons inside the harbour, each one managed by a different operator. They are unlikely to have showers or laundry facilities. As a first time newcomer to the area, you are also unlikely to choose the best one, but if you're only staying for one or a few nights ... ! It might be a good idea to choose one from the http://www.pagineazzurre.com/english/ site on your iPad and phone them when you're a mile or two from the port.
Many purpose built marinas are part owned by their regular berth-holders; a berth of a certain size being the equivalent of so many shares. Thus within the marina itself there are privately owned berths and berths that belong to the marina office. Generally speaking, transit berths are managed by the marina office and for your one night's and a few nights' stays you'll deal with them. For your two weeks in Genoa or two months in high summer, you might be able to strike a private deal with a local berth holder.
Corsica might be cheaper, the dealings will certainly be clearer, and it's only a day's sail from the Tuscan coast. Macinaggio, I've found, is run by an unfriendly, unhelpful bunch and is not very cheap, it's also perennially full in summer. Bastia is fantastic but it's hard to find a place. There's a tiny yacht harbour about halfway between Bastia and Macinaggio, called Marine de Luri or Santa Severa where we kept our 8.5m sloop for the whole of the summer of 2010.
In sum, in April, May and June, you'll have no trouble finding somewhere to park your boat. You might find the lack of clarity frustrating, but once you've got used to it you'll be ok. Some people never get used to it and vow never to return to Italy!
At Nettuno (further south than your itinerary takes you) your boat will cost €14 a night in April, €33 in May and June, €50 in July and August.
Your itinerary is further North than I've sailed, so I'm afraid I can't help you much. I'd be happy to ask for local advice for you on an Italian sailing forum if you have a specific question.
Italian yacht harbours tend to take 2 distinct forms:
1. Yacht facilities inside commercial ports
2. Purpose built marinas
In the Commercial Port category, you would expect to find several different pontoons inside the harbour, each one managed by a different operator. They are unlikely to have showers or laundry facilities. As a first time newcomer to the area, you are also unlikely to choose the best one, but if you're only staying for one or a few nights ... ! It might be a good idea to choose one from the http://www.pagineazzurre.com/english/ site on your iPad and phone them when you're a mile or two from the port.
Many purpose built marinas are part owned by their regular berth-holders; a berth of a certain size being the equivalent of so many shares. Thus within the marina itself there are privately owned berths and berths that belong to the marina office. Generally speaking, transit berths are managed by the marina office and for your one night's and a few nights' stays you'll deal with them. For your two weeks in Genoa or two months in high summer, you might be able to strike a private deal with a local berth holder.
Corsica might be cheaper, the dealings will certainly be clearer, and it's only a day's sail from the Tuscan coast. Macinaggio, I've found, is run by an unfriendly, unhelpful bunch and is not very cheap, it's also perennially full in summer. Bastia is fantastic but it's hard to find a place. There's a tiny yacht harbour about halfway between Bastia and Macinaggio, called Marine de Luri or Santa Severa where we kept our 8.5m sloop for the whole of the summer of 2010.
In sum, in April, May and June, you'll have no trouble finding somewhere to park your boat. You might find the lack of clarity frustrating, but once you've got used to it you'll be ok. Some people never get used to it and vow never to return to Italy!
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Quite so. Ridiculous prices.
blueglass
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the lack of clarity is open house to unscrupulous ormeggiatori (sp?) to charge whatever they think they can get away with. I for one made the above mentioned vow! Good luck to the OP in July and August unless he has deep pockets.
chinita
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I will have a sleepless night tonight worrying about the sort of bill the OP is going to have for those two months. Something in the region of €12k would not surprise me. It will be a daily rate, not monthly, and no discounts whatsoever.
That is a daily rate of €200.00 which - considering I was charged €180.00 a night in Mahon a few years ago for 10m in June - is not outlandish.
Good luck to him.
blueglass
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The one place I found which was surprisingly reasonable (admittedly about 4 years ago now) was the Ostia marina near Rome. Good facilities and security and we did leave the boat there for a month in summer at a very acceptable price - sorry can't remember figures.
scottishyotter
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A few years ago I entered Salina Marina in the Aeolian Islands and was asked for 80 euros. I protested and told him it was too much, I was a poor man etc. Without making any fuss, he reduced it to 50 euros. The next year I went into Marina Igea in Palermo and was asked for 100 euros. I remembered the Salina business and did a bit of slapping my head, waving my arms and making a noise. He reduced it to 70 euros.
So, as Blueglass says above, remember this is Italy, and there are many corrupt officials who will try to rip you off, especially if you are flying a foreign ensign. Question the marina charges and ask for a reduction if they seem too steep.
So, as Blueglass says above, remember this is Italy, and there are many corrupt officials who will try to rip you off, especially if you are flying a foreign ensign. Question the marina charges and ask for a reduction if they seem too steep.
Zen Zero
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Ormeggiatori - the spelling is fine; and like yours, my boat is now in Greece, possibly for the same reasons.
In Tropea last summer, we met two girls on their dad's 8m French thing, they'd sailed it down there from Toulon, in about a week! Just to say that OP is planning to sail into an area that he can sail out of just as quickly if it does't suit him.
I don't have any experience of the North, but from Corsica, South I've managed without too many problems. The Ligurian coast is magnificent (Cinque Terre) and well supplied with modern marinas. The pilot book whose website I am quoting for the third time : http://www.pagineazzurre.com/english/ gives full details of all of them, including email addresses and phone numbers. I'm sure OP will be just fine.
I can confirm that the area around Rome is possibly the best value moorings in Italy. This is because Rome is in the middle of a boring stretch of coast and it's a full day's motor-sail in any direction to reach anywhere interesting (Giglio, Sardinia, Ponza).
BrianH
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When Italian moorings are mentioned it is usually the west coast that dominates because it has the most spectacular scenery with a plethora of classical architecture and renaissance art; plus it is on the logical routes between the western and eastern Mediterranean. Which is a pity, because a very different scenario exists on the Adriatic, especially the northern section where there are thousands of berths in well-appointed marinas at a fraction of the prices of their west coast counterparts.
Living in Switzerland the nearest maritime coast to me is Liguria, a half a day's drive south. However, that is the Italian Riviera and the playground of the rich and famous, with their mega-yachts - far beyond my modest means. Instead, I drive completely across northern Italy to the Friuli–Venezia Giulia region, with its own charm and sensible prices. Don't judge maritime Italy by it's astronomical west-coast pricing.
blueglass
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quite so. Also, some of those "officials" are not in the slightest bit official and may even be just a likely lad passing by as you come in. Proper marinas are usually OK -ish but the harbours are often run in an odd way, with the harbour quays divided up into sections, with each section (sometimes with only space for 2 or 3 boats) leased by a different operative.(ormeggiatori) Each is his own man and can make up whatever price he likes. Owning a (albeit slow) motor boat as I do may have made me a specially attractive potential cash cow. You need to be prepared to argue your case but usually you only find out the cost after you have tied up and settled for the night. They now have the upper hand because they know you don't want to up sticks and move on as the night falls.
In one place after a night crossing south of Naples somewhere we paid (dearly) on arrival at 9.00 am. Later the same day they came round again, claiming that it now counted as second night's stay. It almost came to blows on that occasion, but I did refuse to pay. These antics ruined our transit through a beautiful country and we couldn't get to Greece fast enough.
LouisBrowne
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In 2012 we left our boat from the end of June until the beginning of August at Nautilus Marina in Fiumicino, then for the autumn and winter at Marina Stella del Sud in Vibo Valentia. We thought both of these were very reasonable and the management and staff very helpful. Both have convenient airports (Fiumicino and Lamezia respectively). Being on a budget, we sailed during August to avoid marina fees and, although we were concerned about the heat beforehand, we did not find it too much of a problem provided you have a bimini. As to crowds in August, once south of the Amalfi peninsular the crowds thin out.
