KenMcCulloch
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...can seriously damage your health.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/6223140.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/6223140.stm
Cooking With Gas....
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tobble
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each of these stories just makes me more glad I'm on paraffin now
ShipsWoofy
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each of these stories just makes me more glad I'm on paraffin now
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Treated with respect, in day to day use, gas is far safer than paraffin on board a small boat. I wouldn't touch a paraffin stove with yours!
J
each of these stories just makes me more glad I'm on paraffin now
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Treated with respect, in day to day use, gas is far safer than paraffin on board a small boat. I wouldn't touch a paraffin stove with yours!
J
pyrojames
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Bollocks it is. Treated with respect, they are equally safe. Mal treated, parafin may give you a flare up, some soot, and a nasty smell, gas may kill you.
cliff
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Doesn't say it was a gas explosion so where do you get the gas bit from? Another report on the same incident is blaming it on petrol vapour /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Until the investigation is completed it would be much better not to express opinions or are you trolling? /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
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KenMcCulloch
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Doesn't say it was a gas explosion so where do you get the gas bit from?
Until the investigation is completed it would be much better not to express opinions or are you trolling? /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
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Trolling, moi? No, seriously I was just going by the first sentence in the BBC report. Really whether it's petrol or gas in this instance is not the point. The real issue is the need to be more careful than a careful thing with regard to potentially explosive fuels aboard boats. I posted it here just to raise awareness. I am not opposed to carefully installed and well maintained gas installations but I do love my little Taylor's stove and particularly the not having to worry about exploding bilges. Inboard petrol engines, now that's a seriously scary subject.
Doesn't say it was a gas explosion so where do you get the gas bit from?
Until the investigation is completed it would be much better not to express opinions or are you trolling? /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
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Trolling, moi? No, seriously I was just going by the first sentence in the BBC report. Really whether it's petrol or gas in this instance is not the point. The real issue is the need to be more careful than a careful thing with regard to potentially explosive fuels aboard boats. I posted it here just to raise awareness. I am not opposed to carefully installed and well maintained gas installations but I do love my little Taylor's stove and particularly the not having to worry about exploding bilges. Inboard petrol engines, now that's a seriously scary subject.
ShipsWoofy
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Bollocks it is. Treated with respect, they are equally safe. Mal treated, parafin may give you a flare up, some soot, and a nasty smell, gas may kill you.
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Thing is, almost everyone has had flare ups and lost facial hair, very very few have had a gas explosion. Treat gas with care and it is safe, treat paraffin with care and you will still lose your eyebrows.
I stand by my statement.
Bollocks it is. Treated with respect, they are equally safe. Mal treated, parafin may give you a flare up, some soot, and a nasty smell, gas may kill you.
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Thing is, almost everyone has had flare ups and lost facial hair, very very few have had a gas explosion. Treat gas with care and it is safe, treat paraffin with care and you will still lose your eyebrows.
I stand by my statement.
tobble
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The worst I have lost is a little hair of the back of of my knuckles; flare ups are only possible at start up, and in any case only if you skimp on pre-heating. And if you are that fond of your eyebrows, then don't lean over the stove... of course there is a certain demographic that would pay good money for that service!
The other thing I like better about paraffin is it is a great deal easier to service than gas. that means you can do it yourself a) with confidence it's safe and b) without invalidating your insurance.
I do not deny that a proper gas system, properly operated is safe, but things go wrong, fact, and I'd rather loose some hair of some description than my boat, or for that matter my life, and other people's boats and lives.
The other thing I like better about paraffin is it is a great deal easier to service than gas. that means you can do it yourself a) with confidence it's safe and b) without invalidating your insurance.
I do not deny that a proper gas system, properly operated is safe, but things go wrong, fact, and I'd rather loose some hair of some description than my boat, or for that matter my life, and other people's boats and lives.
pyrojames
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The worst I've done is the hair of the back of my fingers and that was from adding extra meths after failing to get it hot enough first time round. Never lost hair from anywhere with a flare up.
My mother lost hair, got flash burns and had her blouse melt to her with a gas explosion. I know which I prefer. I've replaced two flexible lines on my parafin stove in 20 years due to small leaks. When will you notice a small leak in your gas line?
My mother lost hair, got flash burns and had her blouse melt to her with a gas explosion. I know which I prefer. I've replaced two flexible lines on my parafin stove in 20 years due to small leaks. When will you notice a small leak in your gas line?
Sandyman
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Makes no odds what fuel your useing as long as you don't become complacent with its use & the inherent dangers.
I make a rule onboard, that whenever the gas is not in use it is turned off at the bottle.
I make a rule onboard, that whenever the gas is not in use it is turned off at the bottle.
itsonlymoney
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A similar thread here on motor boat forum. May be of interest.
graham
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Unpressurised Meths is by far the safest.Cant explode cant flare up. You could probably start a fire if you spilt it then lit it but you would have to be a Darwin award finalist.
Only slight safety issue is you cant see the flame in bright sunlight.
Not knocking gas though ,properly installed and used its safe as houses.
Only slight safety issue is you cant see the flame in bright sunlight.
Not knocking gas though ,properly installed and used its safe as houses.
trouville
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i cooked for years with Gas and before that with parafin Gas was a wonder!No soot lit at once and dident explode when relit
Parafin acan be far more dangerous than Gas as if it goes out parrafin fumes are pumped out and are as explosive as gas.
With gas when cookings over you turn the main bottle off!
Im useing alchol for the moment but only as it works at all angles and now as i have a large reserve of alcolol at 1.10€ per liter
Parafin acan be far more dangerous than Gas as if it goes out parrafin fumes are pumped out and are as explosive as gas.
With gas when cookings over you turn the main bottle off!
Im useing alchol for the moment but only as it works at all angles and now as i have a large reserve of alcolol at 1.10€ per liter
graham
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I agree with you Trouville.I would prefer Gas to pressurised Parafin or petrol.We used gas for years as do most boats .
Our present boat had the Origo meths/alcohol stove fitted when we bought her and now we like the safety and simplicity of no pipes regulators or gas bottles.
Our present boat had the Origo meths/alcohol stove fitted when we bought her and now we like the safety and simplicity of no pipes regulators or gas bottles.
William_H
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Back to the original post............. We had a small 5 metre run about .no cabin with outboard motor explode and burn last weekend.
You never get to hear the reason but it certainly wasn't gas. I believe the boat was new to it's owner and exploded on start up.
So petrol vapours. Fortunately being open the occupants including kids were blown off or jumped off PDQ so no real injuries but the boat was reduced to almost nothing.
I reckon we get a boat exploding at least once per season around here. Mostly bigger diesels where it must be gas systems.
I reckon one of the best safety education devices is simply telling the stories of other peoples disasters or experiences.
it is all a reminder of the dangers...very real olewill
You never get to hear the reason but it certainly wasn't gas. I believe the boat was new to it's owner and exploded on start up.
So petrol vapours. Fortunately being open the occupants including kids were blown off or jumped off PDQ so no real injuries but the boat was reduced to almost nothing.
I reckon we get a boat exploding at least once per season around here. Mostly bigger diesels where it must be gas systems.
I reckon one of the best safety education devices is simply telling the stories of other peoples disasters or experiences.
it is all a reminder of the dangers...very real olewill
PCUK
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What about diesel. Surely safest of all? I love my new Wallas oven and hob - No exposed flames!
trouville
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Diesel cookers are bigger and heavier than other types and more expensive!
Alcohol is addictive!! As Graham says the Origo is sooo simple it works well and can be moved to the cockpit or ashore with ease.
When cooking with French alcohol the boat dose tend to smell like a distillery but its not unpleasant.Since i swapped my gas cooker/grill for this Origo the space saved by not haveing a large "cube" and reserve camping gas bottle has made it worthwhile
The other benefit of alcohol is knowing just how much there is in reserve,i keep between 5&10 liters when im half way through the first 5 liters i look for another 5 liters at the best price which is just now from bricomarche (intermarche) a 5 liter "can" 6.99€ or a 1 liter bottle 1.05€??I dont understand their priceing
Alcohol is addictive!! As Graham says the Origo is sooo simple it works well and can be moved to the cockpit or ashore with ease.
When cooking with French alcohol the boat dose tend to smell like a distillery but its not unpleasant.Since i swapped my gas cooker/grill for this Origo the space saved by not haveing a large "cube" and reserve camping gas bottle has made it worthwhile
The other benefit of alcohol is knowing just how much there is in reserve,i keep between 5&10 liters when im half way through the first 5 liters i look for another 5 liters at the best price which is just now from bricomarche (intermarche) a 5 liter "can" 6.99€ or a 1 liter bottle 1.05€??I dont understand their priceing
tobble
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Perhaps an even more superior fuel is that which my latest acquisiton runs on... it hangs of the pushpit and is excellent for sausages and burgers, or steaks of whatever is on the end of your fishing line! not so good when it's raining tho.
mikemonty
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Question is: When will you notice a DANGEROUS leak in your gas line.
When you smell it!
Point about gas is that it has a Lower Explosive Limit, where it will not ignite because there is not enough gas in the atmosphere. A pinhole leak may not pass enough gas (Tee Hee!) to build up concentrations to the LEL because the gas will naturally dissipate from any unsealed space.
It also has an Upper Explosive Limit, above which there is not enough oxygen in the atmosphere to allow an explosion, but when you get to that point, you won't be breathing well enough to strike that match anyway.
The danger area is within the range where you should be able to smell the gas, thats why they put the smell in there in the first place.
Mike
When you smell it!
Point about gas is that it has a Lower Explosive Limit, where it will not ignite because there is not enough gas in the atmosphere. A pinhole leak may not pass enough gas (Tee Hee!) to build up concentrations to the LEL because the gas will naturally dissipate from any unsealed space.
It also has an Upper Explosive Limit, above which there is not enough oxygen in the atmosphere to allow an explosion, but when you get to that point, you won't be breathing well enough to strike that match anyway.
The danger area is within the range where you should be able to smell the gas, thats why they put the smell in there in the first place.
Mike