Wansworth
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What indicators,numbers dimensions would be helpful in comparing two small 22 foot yachts in relation to seaworthyness looking at a Catalina 22 and a French Aloa 22. Details from sailboatdata
Comparing boats
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ridgy
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I could only find an Aloa 21 or 23? All the numbers are relevant such as ballast ration, capsize screening etc.
How seaworthy do you need? What's it for? Local racing or ocean crossing? Do you need the lifting keel of the catalina?
For ultimate seaworthiness in that size I'd probably be looking at a Hurley 22 or Achilles 24.
How seaworthy do you need? What's it for? Local racing or ocean crossing? Do you need the lifting keel of the catalina?
For ultimate seaworthiness in that size I'd probably be looking at a Hurley 22 or Achilles 24.
Wansworth
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Sailing in the rias and up and down the Galician coast
bitbaltic
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Surely there's only one yardstick amongst 22 foot boats....
Resolution
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Gosh, that's got me really thinking.......
Wansworth
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Aloa 23r
Tranona
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Two very different boats. The Aloa is a typical (for the period) sporty French mini cruiser/racer similar to the later but a bit larger quarter tonners. The Catalina is a centreboard estuary coastal cruiser. The key things to look at on the sailboatdata are displacement (Aloa twice the Catalina) Ballast/Displacement (Aloa 40%, Catalina 24%). Disp/Length (Catalina 139 - light, Aloa 179 - light to medium), SA/Disp (Catalina 19.8, Aloa 16.9).
So the Aloa is more offshore orientated and Catalina a light, lively estuary cruiser but OK coastal in fair conditions, but has better more open accommodation and a bigger cockpit. Shallow draft with plate up may be an advantage.
Most of this would be obvious when you see the boats side by side!
So the Aloa is more offshore orientated and Catalina a light, lively estuary cruiser but OK coastal in fair conditions, but has better more open accommodation and a bigger cockpit. Shallow draft with plate up may be an advantage.
Most of this would be obvious when you see the boats side by side!
Tranona
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OK, The 23R is a very different boat from the 23. More like the Catalina in hull form BUT a much more substantial boat, still twice the displacement with a relatively deep fin keel but much more sail area albeit with a more modern fractional rig. Potentially a very lively performer with similar accommodation to the Catalina and big cockpit.
So would superficially look similar, but with different capabilities.
So would superficially look similar, but with different capabilities.
Wansworth
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Thanks for your reply,the Aloa23 is available in Pontevedra not far from possible mooring in Cangas de morrazo,have not seen it yet except in photos but it’s within my price range .The other doubt which I hope to clear up is it’s flagged in Germany,will buy via an agency.From your comment it should be perfect for use within the rias and coastal sailing in fine weather,and my navigational certificate will be correct
Tranona
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The flag is irrelevant - just ensure that the seller (or the broker) carries out the necessary deregistration procedure and that there is the right documentation to register it in Spain if that is what you are going to do.
Wansworth
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There are quite a few Galician boats sporting flags from Germany and Belgium I am not sure why but will if I buy the boat go through Lexmar a very well established company here in Vigo.
greeny
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Probably they sail under those flags to avoid having to have the Spanish inspections and other officialdom. Same trick goes on down here in Portugal.
Sea-Fever
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What could you possibly be thinking of?
Wansworth
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Got mixed up with Portsmouth yardstick maybe?
doug748
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A pal of mine had a Catalina for a number of years, doubtless a boat with many advantages if used as designed. A roomy, light boat with a big hatch, ace for shallow waters; I don't think anyone would describe it as a force 8 battleship.
Towards the end, I recall, my pal took it offshore in the West Country and started referring to it as: "That ***** piece of ******* " I don't think this was entirely affectionate.
Dreadful l know but it stuck in my mind.
He bought a Sadler 25 and was much chirpier.
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johnalison
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I don't think that I would be relying on figures but a look at the hull form, preferably out of the water should give you a fair idea of how a boat will perform. Whether it has a fine or bluff entry, whether the bow sections are too full, if there is a forefoot or not, and whether the aft sections look sweet or distorted. Also, whether the keel(s) makes sense.
Wansworth
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probably the behaviour of a small boat at sea is dependent on the crew,look at the voyages of Sopranino or Trekka. Or the recent world girding voyage of a polish man in a 22footer.
Wansworth
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Indeed the Polish man sailed non stop around the world in a 22foot yacht designed for sailing on lakes
ridgy
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The boat was extensively modified and strengthened, but anyway just because someone did it doesn't make it a good idea. You don't hear about the ones who don't come back
Wansworth
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I agree but the general overall hull shape etc varies little I was just thinking about the capabili of a small yacht and that as I previously mentioned the crew play an important part
