Col regs question. Who's in the right?

[Malcb]

Re: oh hell............

Actually the real answer is 'get a life'

Life is too short to worry if other boats are in your way. Follow ColRegs, and hopefully they will acknowledge them as well and everyone will get on.

One of the best sails that I had last year was from Beulieu to Yarmouth. In actual fact I was trying to beat another boat, and was but that is another story.The wind was from the SW and I was on a port tack, so I had boats crossing me on a starboard tack, and also on the starboard side, so they were the stand on boats. I enjoyed the sail even thoughby bearing away behind their sterns exchanging an acknowledgement I was losing my lead against my friend in the other boat going to Yarmouth. Life is too short to be constantly battling against each other, which is what most of us do on the roads each day.

Don't let that get between us on the water. If it does then it is time for us to give up! /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

 

[jb2006]

Re: Col regs question. Who\'s in the right?

The mobo clearly has a requirement to avoid the sail boats provided they maintain course and speed. There becomes a question of what constitutes maintain course and speed and for how long! What might appear to be a tack in good time for the mobo to take evasive action when you are in a sailing boat at 5 kts might seem quite different to the mobo at 20 kts.

I had a run in with a RS trapeze single hander when motoring up the channel to Port Solent in a deep fin keel yacht at low water springs. He was flying down the east side of the channel so I altered course to port as far to the west side as I could without grounding and he then altered course (with the wind I guess) till he was going to T bone us. When he had to dump it , it became my fault to judge by the abuse.

Racers need to remember that the colregs supersede the RRS when meeting non racing vessels (and normally any vessel after dark). Other users should use common sense to try to avoid impeding racers - I always try to cross a race close downwind of a yacht and don't necessarily stand on just because I am on starboard. A bit of tolerance on both sides goes a long way.

 

[Slow_boat]

Re: oh hell............

I assume it is a BMW mobo?

Then yes, you do own the sea and the rules don't apply to you.

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[cliff]

Re: Col regs question. Who\'s in the right?

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Yes unfortunately, life is too short. BUT what really pisses me off about racing sailors is that they expect and demand that you get out of their way. No give and take with them. But this is going to degenerate into another racing v cruising post. Mobos wash pisses me off too.

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[geoffatstanpit]

Re: Col regs question. Who\'s in the right?

As one who keeps a cruiser in Christchurch Harbour and also races a Solo with Mudeford Sailing Club perhaps I can be allowed to comment on this specific instance.
It's not possible to have a race in the harbour unless there's enough tide to sail the courses we have available. A Solo draws nearly 4' with the board down. I don't know how much a Seawych needs but I'd be surprised if it's much more than that. So if there's enough water for dinghies to be racing, then you can go anywhere you like in the harbour - there's no need to stick rigidly to the buoyed channel.
There are occasions when we're beating across the channel and it is sometimes
tricky to pick a gap in the traffic but in the vast majority of cases it's
accomplished with a cheery wave - even from the big mobos who don't understand
that that dinghy is sailing close to get a lift off his propwash or quarterwave.

 

[tangomoon]

Re: Col regs question. Who\'s in the right?

There's always compulsory night school I suppose but if you haven't got the basics - no matter how many times they take people to water - they won't get it. Excuse them for being on your trajectory while you close at almost 1/2Nm/min while it takes them 7 or 8 mins to do the same distance. How about motorway markings as we're unable to rely on intelligence, education and a grip of the fundamentals

 

[Koolie]

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I am confused, again the sanctimonious, arrogant, wipe's are out there preaching from the roof tops. I have a suggestion for those who have not read the original post correctly,

READ THE POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I started it of with,

"I sail and MOBO, but at the moment more MOBO, I need to ask, who is wrong?
This was passed to me!!!!"

So where do you get off preaching to me???????????????????

Obviously you who have preached read only what you want to see, and then get on your high horses and shout from the tops, so that you hope every one is interested in your mis-understanding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So as not to upset any individual, I replied to myself. But hey, if the cap fit's ..........................................

Why do so many on this forum act as if they are the authority on every subject?

You do know that when you act this way, most people switch of from any post you post.

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[Kilter]

Re: Col regs question. Who\'s in the right?

Dear Lee,

Under the circ's please send the following to your original referer:

I'd love to bear down on you when I'm sailing a bloomin great multihull, flying a hull at 25 knots! I'd soon make you move you benighted, backsliding, bog off motor boating bumbrain!



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[sailorman]

Re: Col regs question. Who\'s in the right?

how at those speeds could u possible hear what they said /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

[duncan]

Re: oh hell............

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[oceanfroggie]

Re: Col regs question. Who\'s in the right?

Both were wrong, but neither has "right of way". /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

In the COLREGS no vessel ever has 'right of way'. There is a STAND ON and a GIVE WAY vessel, but the STAND ON does not have right of way and is obliged under law to take neccessary action to avoid a collision (ie irrespective of the give way vessels proper or improper behaviour)

Having said that keel boat racing fleets can be berks and have a holier than thou attitude sometimes, so go around them if they are being stupid but make the biggest wake you can! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Who needs the agro, I'd go round or thread through carefully, got the juice to keep clear enough during manouvering around them. I always keep well clear of dingy fleets though and keep the wake down, often just kids having fun, don't want to hurt any of them.

 

[Sailfree]

Re: Col regs question. Who\'s in the right?

Good post as it raises a number of points.

First I declare an interest that I cruise a big boat and race a dinghy often with courses that require us to cross the channel in Poole harbour.

In the questioned posed the answer has been given power gives way to sail but they are under an obligation not to tack in front of the mobo. I would add though we are all under an obligation to avoid a collision even if we are the stand on boat I therefore start from a position that the rules of the road may not be completely known by a vast number of racing dinghys and regretably racing causes a number of sailors to forget them!

I therefore always try to avoid racing fleets as even if they normally do obey the rules of the road they may be genuinely distracted by the racing When racing myself we do hold our course until we need to take avoiding action and wave a thank you if a boat realising that we are racing gives us a clear signal to proceed in front of them.

One final note to people who have never raced. When racing you get to judge things a lot closer and now I cruise I can understand why skippers get annoyed when racing boats pass them so close. When cruising I try to keep at least 4 boat lengths away from people but when racing you tend to pass other dinghy's with only inches to spare.

 

[l'escargot]

Re: Col regs question. Who\'s in the right?

The the bits i objected to were;

"acting as if they owned the bloody bit of sea I wish to travel in........."

We aren't talking about restricted waters here, anyone can be where they want to be with no regard for the complainer - it's a big sea for anyone to use.

"We have more right to be on the water then they do as we pay more money to be there!"

The man is clearly deluded, he pays nothing to be there - costs have nothing to do with rights to use the water.