Babylon
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No it wasn't.
Good luck in your trip - and especially good luck in raising money for the hospice!
Circumnavigating the UK for charity - charts required
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No it wasn't.
Good luck in your trip - and especially good luck in raising money for the hospice!
obmij
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I am sorry for your loss - and I also applaud your intention to give something back to an organisation that has been there when you needed them.
However I think bitbaltic is entirely justified in his cynicism. You might as well ask for donations of suncream for a Bahamian beach marathon..I'm sure your intentions are the best though.
Having said that, I'm always happy to help out a fellow sailor and to be honest have been the recipient of far more help than I've ever given.
However I think bitbaltic is entirely justified in his cynicism. You might as well ask for donations of suncream for a Bahamian beach marathon..I'm sure your intentions are the best though.
Having said that, I'm always happy to help out a fellow sailor and to be honest have been the recipient of far more help than I've ever given.
Sidedrum
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Deserving charities
I am a trustee of a charity which helps refugees and asylum seekers in this country by providing psychological and other therapeutic services to help them overcome what for our armed forces we now term 'post traumatic stress disorder' - except our service personnel thankfully don't have to deal with the frankly appalling treatment the Home Office metes out to people who are genuinely in need of asylum.
I also worked for many years for a major charitable funder.
Hospices receive most of their revenue funding from the public purse: they are paid, from taxes, to provide end of life support to terminally ill patients. I think this an excellent use of taxes - they generally provide far better end of life care than a local hospital. However, a close examination of their policies will show that they are quite careful about making sure the care is 'end of life' - the hospice which provided at home support to my father in his last few days (being in a rural area where having a physical hospice was not really going to meet the needs of their patients) actually published in its annual report statistics on how it had met its target of only helping people in their last three weeks of life - which explained why my father received so little support until the last week. It is difficult it seems even for the experts to judge when the last three weeks starts.
The money hospices raise through charitable donations is not mainly for their revenue costs but for their capital costs - and they receive very substantial legacy donations for those, not dissimilar to the RNLI. Personally, I don't make any charitable donations to hospices. There are causes which I believe need my support far more. So I've some charts I'd happily lend to anyone doing a circumnavigation for charity - but it would have to be a charity helpiing the many victims of torture and abuse abroad who try to seek asylum in this country, as they are entitled to, and instead find themselves further abused and suffer further distress as a result.
I am a trustee of a charity which helps refugees and asylum seekers in this country by providing psychological and other therapeutic services to help them overcome what for our armed forces we now term 'post traumatic stress disorder' - except our service personnel thankfully don't have to deal with the frankly appalling treatment the Home Office metes out to people who are genuinely in need of asylum.
I also worked for many years for a major charitable funder.
Hospices receive most of their revenue funding from the public purse: they are paid, from taxes, to provide end of life support to terminally ill patients. I think this an excellent use of taxes - they generally provide far better end of life care than a local hospital. However, a close examination of their policies will show that they are quite careful about making sure the care is 'end of life' - the hospice which provided at home support to my father in his last few days (being in a rural area where having a physical hospice was not really going to meet the needs of their patients) actually published in its annual report statistics on how it had met its target of only helping people in their last three weeks of life - which explained why my father received so little support until the last week. It is difficult it seems even for the experts to judge when the last three weeks starts.
The money hospices raise through charitable donations is not mainly for their revenue costs but for their capital costs - and they receive very substantial legacy donations for those, not dissimilar to the RNLI. Personally, I don't make any charitable donations to hospices. There are causes which I believe need my support far more. So I've some charts I'd happily lend to anyone doing a circumnavigation for charity - but it would have to be a charity helpiing the many victims of torture and abuse abroad who try to seek asylum in this country, as they are entitled to, and instead find themselves further abused and suffer further distress as a result.
Ex-SolentBoy
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Poor bloke! Asks for a few charts and gets pasted by people thinking its a scam.
My printed charts are so old you are welcome to borrow them, but on the basis that they are no longer suitable to navigation I shall not expect them back.
You can buy the whole of the UK from Memory Map, or Navionics for less than £60 I think. Probably better to buy those yourself and instead accept donations of dodgy fruitcake, or has someone else already cornered that market?
My printed charts are so old you are welcome to borrow them, but on the basis that they are no longer suitable to navigation I shall not expect them back.
You can buy the whole of the UK from Memory Map, or Navionics for less than £60 I think. Probably better to buy those yourself and instead accept donations of dodgy fruitcake, or has someone else already cornered that market?
obmij
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I'm not suggesting it's a scam but let's face it we get a lot of..
Bungee jumping for charity
Climbing Kilimanjaro for charity
Skydiving for charity
I actually met people who claimed to be driving across Africa - via a well worn tourist route - for charity
However each to their own conscience and method of giving.
Bungee jumping for charity
Climbing Kilimanjaro for charity
Skydiving for charity
I actually met people who claimed to be driving across Africa - via a well worn tourist route - for charity
However each to their own conscience and method of giving.
Contest1
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Its realy quite simple.
Give what you can, a good deed is its own reward!
Give what you can, a good deed is its own reward!
snooks
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I don't think the issue here is borrowing charts for a charity trip I think it's that the OP is doing something a lot of us on here would (and do) happily pay to do.
When we sailed off to Orkney we borrowed a stack of charts for our trip but still spent over £350 on bits of paper we drew one line across (or didn't in the case of the Hebrides charts) then flogged them on eBay.
Call us selfish but we did the trip for ourselves and we had a fantastic once in a lifetime trip. It had it's ups and downs but it was a great life changing experience that we would do again if we could at the drop of a hat.
It's not the borrowing charts that I have unease about, it's knowing that the OP will have a great time while raising money for charity. No problem with raising money for charity, I give to many myself, but raising money doing something you enjoy doing, it would be like me raising money by drinking beer....which I'll happily do by the way
YM's deputy Ed did an ironman triathlon for a charity that was personal to him, he swam 2 miles, cycled 100km then ran a marathon in 24 hours, all the training he had to do, all the pain he went through to raise money by doing something bloody nasty. Yes there are people who race to do that sort of thing but Rob wasn't one of them. Where as the OP is obviously into sailing.
If it was a choice between donating for someone sailing around Britain or someone doing an ironman triathlon, I know where my money would go.
OP you'll have a great trip whether I donate or not. We flogged all our charts on eBay, sorry.
When we sailed off to Orkney we borrowed a stack of charts for our trip but still spent over £350 on bits of paper we drew one line across (or didn't in the case of the Hebrides charts) then flogged them on eBay.
Call us selfish but we did the trip for ourselves and we had a fantastic once in a lifetime trip. It had it's ups and downs but it was a great life changing experience that we would do again if we could at the drop of a hat.
It's not the borrowing charts that I have unease about, it's knowing that the OP will have a great time while raising money for charity. No problem with raising money for charity, I give to many myself, but raising money doing something you enjoy doing, it would be like me raising money by drinking beer....which I'll happily do by the way
YM's deputy Ed did an ironman triathlon for a charity that was personal to him, he swam 2 miles, cycled 100km then ran a marathon in 24 hours, all the training he had to do, all the pain he went through to raise money by doing something bloody nasty. Yes there are people who race to do that sort of thing but Rob wasn't one of them. Where as the OP is obviously into sailing.
If it was a choice between donating for someone sailing around Britain or someone doing an ironman triathlon, I know where my money would go.
OP you'll have a great trip whether I donate or not. We flogged all our charts on eBay, sorry.
ukmctc
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well yet another charity run, use the charts you have, and the chart plotter. We have spent the last 5 years doing the around Britain run, it doesn't change much, just buy Reeds Almanac. Or give them the money it will cost to go around.
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awol
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Asking to borrow charts causes no offence. Most of us will have been either or both borrower and lender and I guess it is one of the reasons I bother to update my Orkney and Shetland charts - never used by me but lent out to others.
For me it was the "Circumnavigating the UK for charity" title that jarred. I see a difference between 15 year old Joe Smith sailing his Laser round the island and Abramovich being sailed around in his yacht. The former is an effort worthy of recognition and support but the OP's trip is towards the Abramovich end of my spectrum. Making the trip more sporting might help - say, a sliding scale of donation based on how many litres of diesel less than 20 the trip uses, or on how few nights are spent in a marina or on a fixed mooring. Anything to make it sound less like - "I'm going on a jolly."
longjohnsilver
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Yes he was based in Plymouth and completed the trip. And then promptly disappeared from the forum. Iirc he raised money for the RNLI in every port he stopped at.
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At the time, there were acrimonious and contentious messages along similar lines about using the charity money raised, to fund the diesel. Quite a shame really when some folk have a plan and others decide to shoot them down?
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