Circumnavigating the UK for charity - charts required

[Steve N]

Hello all,

My wife and I are planning to circumnavigate the UK to raise money for the Pilgrims Hospices charity this summer.

The cost of charts for such a journey is considerable so I'd like to ask if anyone has any charts that they'd like to donate or loan to us?

Thanks in advance.

Steve.

 

[bitbaltic]

erm... OK I'll state the obvious.... your FB says you have a 43 ft Rassy in which to suffer the privations of this circumnavigation.

Do you *really* need charts donated from a community for whom the average ownership is probably a 20-something ft MAB?

Sorry if I've got you wrong but it seems a strange post.

Cheers

 

[jac]

erm... OK I'll state the obvious.... your FB says you have a 43 ft Rassy in which to suffer the privations of this circumnavigation.

Do you *really* need charts donated from a community for whom the average ownership is probably a 20-something ft MAB?

Sorry if I've got you wrong but it seems a strange post.

Cheers

What do you base that on? My view was that the average boat here was more 30 something and probably in Solent anyway.( obviously not counting Mr Winter in that )

And to OP, can't really help but good luck and post back with outcome.

 

[john_morris_uk]

erm... OK I'll state the obvious.... your FB says you have a 43 ft Rassy in which to suffer the privations of this circumnavigation.

Do you *really* need charts donated from a community for whom the average ownership is probably a 20-something ft MAB?

Sorry if I've got you wrong but it seems a strange post.

Cheers

I am not sure that the average boat on this community is a 20 something foot long MAB!

I will PM the OP as I might be able to lend them some charts.

 

[bitbaltic]

OK OK. Maybe I woud have been closer to the truth if I had said that on reader to reader. Clearly the average chappie on scuttlebut has a monstrous AWB chocking up the solent.

I now have visions of various pink-trousered commodores digging deep for a few old Imrays to donate to the hard-up chugger with the ocean-going Rassy because, the deuce Carruthers, he's breaking himself to do something for charidee.

Good-oh

Cheers

 

[john_morris_uk]

OK OK. Maybe I woud have been closer to the truth if I had said that on reader to reader. Clearly the average chappie on scuttlebut has a monstrous AWB chocking up the solent.

I now have visions of various pink-trousered commodores digging deep for a few old Imrays to donate to the hard-up chugger with the ocean-going Rassy because, the deuce Carruthers, he's breaking himself to do something for charidee.

Good-oh

Cheers

Do I detect the slightest hint of a chip on your shoulder?

 

[bitbaltic]

Do I detect the slightest hint of a chip on your shoulder?

If you have no feel for irony or sarcasm as forms of humour, then yes of course.

Seriously, this guy has a 200K boat and wants you to donate your charts to his summer circumnavigation. I contend that this is passing through the looking glass. I thought I used humour to illustrate it. Either you don't get my humour, or you also have a very expensive boat and think circumnavigating it for charity entitles you to ask for donations in kind that in cash wouldn't fill your fuel tank. I think that, unless the OP has some extenuating circumstances (which he hasn't mentioned), that's not the best taste.

Cheers

 

[john_morris_uk]

If you have no feel for irony or sarcasm as forms of humour, then yes of course.

Seriously, this guy has a 200K boat and wants you to donate your charts to his summer circumnavigation. I contend that this is passing through the looking glass. I thought I used humour to illustrate it. Either you don't get my humour, or you also have a very expensive boat and think circumnavigating it for charity entitles you to ask for donations in kind rthat wouldn't fill your fuel tank.

I didn't find anything amusing in your posts, just some sarcasm about how expensive the OP's boat was and how he had the cheek to ask to borrow some charts.

I have a friend with a Halberg Rassey 42 (and it cost rather more than £200k) and I happily lend him charts. I utterly fail to see the problem?

I am not convinced about the 'sponsored sail round UK' idea, but if they are genuinely raising money for a good cause then who am I to criticise? I sincerely hope that they are not taking anything out of the sponsorship money for costs but assuming they are not then good luck to them,

 

[bitbaltic]

I didn't find anything amusing in your posts, just some sarcasm about how expensive the OP's boat was and how he had the cheek to ask to borrow some charts.

I have a friend with a Halberg Rassey 42 (and it cost rather more than £200k) and I happily lend him charts. I utterly fail to see the problem?

Really.

I have a modest boat, but could happily go get a HR whatever-I wanted-to- if I wanted to.

I'm conscious enough of being a lucky chap in life as things stand. I think the reason you fail to see the problem is because you socialise with pals with 200K Rassys who have bought the boat before the charts. My pals don't have boats (or charts!!) and are seriously struggling to make ends meet week in week out. If I casually declare, in the pub tomorrow night, that I'm sailing my private yacht round Britain for charity then ask them all for 50 quid each towards my charts, I think I'll get a rough reception.

Come along though. I'll stand you a gin and you stand by your principles. I use Imray and their catalogue is here: http://www.imray.com/catresults.cfm?pubcatid=20&pubcat_parent_id=12

Don't be late we start at seven.

Cheers

 

[john_morris_uk]

Really.

I have a modest boat, but could happily go get a HR whatever-I wanted-to- if I wanted to.

I'm conscious enough of being a lucky chap in life as things stand. I think the reason you fail to see the problem is because you socialise with pals with 200K Rassys who have bought the boat before the charts. My pals don't have boats (or charts!!) and are seriously struggling to make ends meet week in week out. If I casually declare, in the pub tomorrow night, that I'm sailing my private yacht round Britain for charity then ask them all for 50 quid each towards my charts, I think I'll get a rough reception.

Come along though. I'll stand you a gin and you stand by your principles. I use Imray and their catalogue is here: http://www.imray.com/catresults.cfm?pubcatid=20&pubcat_parent_id=12

Don't be late we start at seven.

Cheers

I don't think we are on the same wavelength and I don't understand your last remarks at all.

My friend could easily go and buy the whole Admiralty Catalogue but what would the point of such extravagance be? He doesn't need all the charts. When he went sailing to an area (briefly) that he didn't normally sail in I lent him some charts. I don't understand your problem.

There's an old line about knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing.

I also know a lot of people with nothing at all but it would be crass to discuss these things in such a rude way in front of them.

I know that its rude to suggest people should go and read something to illustrate a point one is making, but 'The Little Prince' by Antoine St Exupery makes my case very well.

 

[bitbaltic]

My friend could easily go and buy the whole Admiralty Catalogue but what would the point of such extravagance be?

He could give it directly to the OP, which would be an excellent reason for such extravagance. That is what this thread is about. I urge you to press this charge upon him, and let the OP know his problem is solved.

Yes, it is very rude to suggest people go read something to illustrate a point one is making, and moreover it is a form of sophistry, best characterised in online debates by the fallacy of 'argument from hyperlink'. I'm sure you wouldn't fall into such a trap.

Let me explain my last remarks. You're coming to my local, tomorrow night, with a full catalogue of charts, which you are donating to my charidee circumnavigation of Britain.

To be clear, we start at seven, don't be late.

Looking forward to it.

Cheers

 

[lenseman]

. . . I know that its rude to suggest people should go and read something to illustrate a point one is making, but 'The Little Prince' by Antoine St Exupery makes my case very well.

John; Firstly well done for offering to loan charts very laudable. I can probably lend brand new charts of the UK as I have a complete set.

Secondly, I too did not find bitbaltics posts in any way humorous, ironic or witty in any form and I dutifully suggest he climbs back in the sewer where he obviously belongs. We don't want folk like that knocking any form of charitable work and those comments from him simply stink.

Just out of interest, I gave about £500 to charity last month. Bitbaltic, what do you do for any charity? What do you do that might redeem yourself in the eyes of other forum members on YBW because you are not a forum member I would like to meet?



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[bitbaltic]

OK chaps. I found something in the OP which I found ironic which clearly others don't share, and I carried it too far with John.

My apologies to the forum and particularly to John.

Cheers

 

[Contest1]

I have the Clyde area, bit out of date tho.
Bought for a cruise in 2007 but never went.
Also some East and South East Ireland if your heading this way.
I general use Navionics on my tab now.

 

[Babylon]

These people have abandoned their round-Britain sail:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-22782645

- and they're feeling generous!

 

[awol]

I'm afraid my initial thought was closer to bitbaltic's than the open generous response of others. Claiming something is "for charity" which involves others donating to and/or supporting an activity that most would regard enviously as a pleasure in itself strikes me as sophistry. Donating the costs directly to the charity and foregoing the circumnavigation would be the generous act or if the activity had involved some degree of privation e.g. non-stop in a Wayfarer I might have been more sympathetic.

I came to the conclusion after a Lands End to John O'Groats cycle ride that the actual charitable activity was unimportant and had little effect on the cash raised - signing up contributors and collecting the money was where the effort came. If charity is indeed the aim then pogo-sticking a mile blindfold and using the time that could have been spent on the circumnavigation on raising sponsorship would probably net more.

If anyone would like to donate money to me for any of my sailing activities - a lot less comfortably appointed than the OP's HR - I will happily pass it on to a registered charity of my choice. The arduous circumnavigation of Mull is next on the calendar - two and a half days of misery interspersed with nights of forced drinking and dancing - must be worth a bob or two?

 

[lenseman]

I'm afraid my initial thought was closer to bitbaltic's than the open generous response of others. Claiming something is "for charity" which involves others donating to and/or supporting an activity that most would regard enviously as a pleasure in itself strikes me as sophistry. Donating the costs directly to the charity and foregoing the circumnavigation would be the generous act or if the activity had involved some degree of privation e.g. non-stop in a Wayfarer I might have been more sympathetic. . . . .

Wasn't there a guy about three years ago on these forums who was looking for sponsorship money, "in aid of charity", so that he could take his Merry Fisher round the coast of the UK?

The problems came due to the fact that people did not know whether any money raised went towards the charity or the fuel costs?

I never found out whether he motored round or not but to use any of the charity money for fuel, in my mind is a definite No No !!



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[sailor211]

I am not sure where the cost of charts comes into this. Sail around the uk if you like. Pick up the cost of your enjoyable sail. Ask people to donate to your chosen charity if they wish. Surely you are not deducting the costs of sailing from the donations.

Asking to borrow charts for your trip is ok. This in not charity related.

Just my opinion.

 

[Steve N]

Firstly, as the OP of this thread, I'd like to thank those who have been kind enough to offer to help us this summer.

I'd also like to apologise to anyone who may have found offence in us asking for assistance and who felt it necessary to voice their grievances here.

Please be assured that we have been working in conjunction with Pilgrims over the past few months to raise money for them, and we most certainly do not intend to profit from any donations. The hospice took great care of my mother when she passed away and we are just trying to give something back to them. If asking to borrow a few charts was the wrong way to go about it then this is clearly an error in my judgement.

Steve.

 

[lenseman]

Firstly, as the OP of this thread, I'd like to thank those who have been kind enough to offer to help us this summer.

I'd also like to apologise to anyone who may have found offence in us asking for assistance and who felt it necessary to voice their grievances here.

Please be assured that we have been working in conjunction with Pilgrims over the past few months to raise money for them, and we most certainly do not intend to profit from any donations. The hospice took great care of my mother when she passed away and we are just trying to give something back to them. If asking to borrow a few charts was the wrong way to go about it then this is clearly an error in my judgement.

Steve.

Steve, you don't need to apologise, sadly there are folk on her who just like jibing at others and having a dig. They are usually sad folk with little else in life.

For those who don't know, the cost of a full set of charts to cover the coast of the UK is well in excess of £700 and I see no reason for someone who possibly does not normally sail these waters, why they should they not ask to 'borrow' this amount of support.

I too have a large yacht, 50 foot to be precise, but it certainly doesn't make me rich but I will go to the ends of the earth to help folk in any way if I am able. I have lend VHF radios, AIS equipment and a load of charts out to other UK circumnavigators before, and I see nothing wrong in so doing.

So please, let us have less of the sniping and lets play nicely together.



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