Chi Hbr fees up 16%

[brianhumber]

That thrusting young turk, harbour master Davis seems to have been taking lessons in Labour economics and spin doctoring and has upped the mooring in Itchenor Reach by 16%. The latest Harbour News states this is due to an unspecified increase in costs by organisation(s) unstated ( Crown Estates I suppose reading Sailing Today) and to recoup these, he has decided to impose differential charges on those he feels can be hammered the most ie those of us in Itchenor reach.
If the Hbr has unavoidable increases in costs imposed on them I do not mind paying my fair share but -
If the Crown Estates have hammered him so much why not tell all in the news, as it is, and being a cynic I suspect some of my my increase is being syphoned off to other causes. As 50% of the glossy harbour news is of no interest to me I found this half an explanation/story disappointing.
It is always better to tell the complete truth rather than half truthes as friend Blair is only just begining to belatedly find out.

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[StephenSails]

I heard the reason was that you guys in Itchenor Reach get the use of the facilities in Itchenor i.e. shower block etc etc, other users in other parts of the harbour do not have the same luxuries.

If you want to blame somebody for the expansive moorings, blame the weekenders who take over the harbour thinking they own it. Its quite frustrating being a local and trying to live and afford to live here thanks to the weekenders.

The Conservancy are doing a lot to improve the harbour and educate people about it.

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[Robin]

Prejudice & chips from stephen sails

Reply to StephenSails post

<<If you want to blame somebody for the expansive moorings, blame the weekenders who take over the harbour thinking they own it. Its quite frustrating being a local and trying to live and afford to live here thanks to the weekenders>>

Methinks 'tis you who thinks he owns the harbour as well as the YC if I remember from a previous post.

How far away does one have to live to not be a 'local'. Personally I'm glad I live and keep my boat in Poole, much nicer people it seems.

Do you have the same attitude towards your customers that are non-locals, maybe that is why you are struggling? And do please remember the people raising the mooring prices are LOCALS aren't they?

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[brianhumber]

I'd rather the authorites be up front and honest. Claiming the overused single toilet and shower 'facilities' are so good its justified a 16% hike is stretching it. Explaining how much additional cost has hit the authorities and they have decided the Itchenor owners can pay would be more honest and open, and as I said before I can live with that and am quite happy to pay up. I am not so happy when this extra is hidden under half information and questionable facts.

You imply you approve of the improvements and education but then complain when people other than locals come and enjoy the harbour - I do not follow your logic here.

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[Sans Bateau]

Its not that complicated, Chi harbour is over subscirbed, Itchenor Reach has always been a favorite, a waiting list when Emsworth Channel has had space.

Itchenor does have better facilities and better access so will always carry a premium, its a simple case of supply and demand, for every boat that leaves Itchenor there would be I suspect 10 or more to take their place.

Poole is great with nice people, so is Chichester harbour (with a few exception). At least in Chichester you dont have to dodge a bloody chain ferry!

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[banana]

discount minded attitude

you're a pleasant soul. its the weekenders who spend the money that keep many of the businesses there growing. i know of one "discount chandlery" i shall not be visiting.
little england eh? what a charming place for you.

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[andyball]

Seems ok

"Historically, the Conservancy has had only one set of charges for moorings sites regardless of where those sites are located in the harbour.

There has been no recognition in the price that some moorings are better than others in terms of all states
of the tide access, convenient car parking and other facilities.

This has resulted in the level of demand for moorings varying markedly around the harbour.
For instance, there has always been a waiting list for Itchenor Reach moorings whilst those in some other parts of the harbour have been difficult, and sometimes impossible, to let.

It has become clear that, arising from an above inflation increase in the cost of the new regulating lease for the foreshore and bed of the Itchenor Reach, the traditional charging system is now untenable. It would simply result in driving people away from already hard to let moorings whilst increasing the unfulfilled demand for moorings in the Itchenor Reach.

Accordingly, it has been necessary to introduce differential charging, whereby the above inflation costs of the new reg-ulating lease for sites in the Itchenor Reach are carried on those ‘Premium’ sites. Details of the increases and this year’s charges are shown in the Mooring News section on page 20."





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[IanPoole2]

God - you lot seem to be miserable b*ggers down there?

Can n't you all agree "it's too much" and campaign together,
weekender or local - you all share the same sea


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[robp]

<<If you want to blame somebody for the expansive moorings, blame the weekenders who take over the harbour thinking they own it.>>

What exactly would you propose re this?

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[Luanda]

Hi Stephen. Do you mean expansive, or expensive?? And surely those who visit at weekends - I assume that these are the weekenders - pay the relevant charges, which I'm sure are not low. These charges go to keeping your costs down, I suppose. But this is a constant problem. Do we want others to be allowed to visit, and thus we benefit from what they pay for that, or do we want higher charges for ourselves, and to keep others out? Surely the latter is not acceptable.

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[Captain_Chaos]

The real problem with this ,( and with government tax increases and council tax etc etc) is that the bureaucrats seem to think that "costs have gone up" is an acceptable reason for increasing prices way above inflation. The best way of tackling this is to find out precisely what costs have gone up.
I bet you a pound to a peanut that the reason will be the result of some grandiose scheme dreamt up by some empire builder secure in the knowledge that he is not accountable to anyone.
The harbour master will know that whatever the increase and however much people chunter about the increases, there will always be someone to pay the price.
Moaning will do nothing, put the spotllight on them and making them justify their claims of cost increases may just make the buggers think twice.

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[StephenSails]

Re: Prejudice & chips from stephen sails

Well over half of the houses in my village where I was born and raised have been bought by Londoners. When they are down and in the local sailing club they behave as if everything should be laid on for them, they have no Corinthian spirit and quite often loud and rude. They put virtually nothing back in the community. Chichester District Council wants to build some 2000 homes near to the edge of Chichester Harbour, the Conservancy has been doing a lot to stop this. The average house price round here is £250,000 + so you can see why I get a little wound up by the whole thing. A drying mooring in my local creek costs over £400 for 6 months.

Its not a distance thing either, they could be from Manchester for all I care, they do not benefit the community generally.

My customers are from all over the UK and have no problem with that, hence I am online selling via mail order. Quite a few of the London/weekender customers who I carry out boat maintenance for are the worst payers.

I can only speak as I find, obviously there are nice Londoners but its funny that I am not the only person in my village or the hundreds of others along the South Coast who feel the same.

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[StephenSails]

>>You imply you approve of the improvements and education but then complain when people other than locals come and enjoy the harbour - I do not follow your logic here. <<

I am more than happy if they treat the place with respect but I honestly do not think they do a lot of the time.

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[StephenSails]

Re: discount minded attitude

Well they are obviously not spending it in my village then as there are only 2 pubs left - there used to be 11. No village shop anymore, no petrol station any more.

There used to be 3 or more boat yards now there are none.

Most of the boats sit un-used in the creek and in the dinghy park at the local sailing club.

The young are getting priced out of the house market ( not saying this a local issue) but it is extreme here in any case.

Setting up an internet chandlery at the age of 22 I thought I was being quite enterprising seeing as there are not many good local jobs as all the local companies are dying.

Little Britain indeed.





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[Sans Bateau]

Re: discount minded attitude

Stephen

I can sympathise with you on a lot of what you say, the price of housing in the area is one thing; we used to do some work for an estate agent, two years ago I could not believe seeing a small 2 bed bungalow on a small plot in Bosham go for £500,000!! But, hey thats the south east!

The issue with the moorings, as I said earlier in this thread is supply and demand. More and more new boats are being sold with nowhere to put them. Last year there were no vacant Conservancy moorings anywere in Chichester Harbour, my own marina, Emsworth has a waiting list, first time ever, as owners try to migrate down from the Premier and MDL's. It will get worse.

Mooring charges are going up everywhere, it was only a matter of time before the Conservancy put up their charges.

People visiting the area is not new, Chichester has a very important tourist industry that brings much revenue into the district. The number of boats that can be registered in Chichester Harbour is limited. So there must be some other reason that makes you so uncomfortable with our visitors.

Could it be the attitude of people generally? What I mean is, today you dont have to go far to find bad tempered, aggresive and arrogant individuals that are in a minoritory but make a big impact on our society. How many posts have there been on the subject of 'boat rage'? How many more will there be? Or are we next going to have 'mooring rage'?





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[Robin]

Oh boy oh boy oh boy.....

......am I glad I don't live in 'YOUR' village or belong to 'YOUR' sailing club!

Where by the way do these foreign intruders start? Are they acceptable if they live in Sussex? Or do you have to be from within what... let's say a 5ml radius of Bosham?



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[banana]

Re: discount minded attitude

yes little britain.

i'm not from london but i do live in another massive connurbation. can't afford to bring my kids up in a village so we live in the urban sprawl.

why on earth would anyone drink in your village if the attitude of the locals was as uninviting as yours. how can you possibly make such sweeping statements about people. perhaps its being 22, you need to grow up.

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[bigmart]

Re: discount minded attitude

I think Stephen would rather you sent your money but kept yourself well away.

He's not alone in thinking like that. He's just one of the many idiots that think that way!

Martin

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[oldgit]

re Selective distortion.Pot and Kettle ?

Would appear you are not taking your own advice and revealing the whole story./forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

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[StephenSails]

Re: Oh boy oh boy oh boy.....

Well if you have have £500 K plus you could start thinking about living amongst all the empty holiday houses. Think you have missed my point. Sorry if I have offended.

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