Carbon Footprint (or should it be wake?)

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Last couple of days' weather has been dismal, though today was fine and cold. However, 'cos I didn't particularly want to go out and get soaked, I chose the least of the possible evils and did some reckoning and budgetting for the new year - for the home as well as the boat.

The item that got me thinking was diesel use. Our car does about 10,000 miles a year which @ 45 mpg represents 1000 litres of Lord Sainsbury's finest. Last year the boat engine logged 267hrs which @ 1.5 litres/hr represents (an amazingly round) 400 litres of red, though quite a lot was low useage battery charging while sailing (but then I haven't counted the Eberspacher use). I thought I had made an effort last year using my bicycle and taking the bus (bus-passes are wonderful!) a lot and I was feeling a bit greedy at the quantity used, especially in the boat.

Then another thought struck me - 1400 litres would keep a 2 x 200 litre/hr mobo going for only 3.5 hours! I still feel guilty that my usage could be less but I wonder at the morality that doesn't balk at using so much for so little. Perhaps mobos should go nuclear - the government thinks it's an answer - or perhaps they will become like static caravans with maximum internal dimensions and minimal power sufficient to move them from one berth to another in the same marina.

(I did refrain from working out my gas and electricity use in anything other than money - I can only take so much guilt!)
 
I wouldn't worry about carbon footprints or man made global warming or any of that bunkum...just look at the Scottish snow falls, best season they have had in years, all the ski resorts are open..

Quote from Ski Scotland
"All runs are now complete with excellent snow cover. Buzzard and Eagle offer superb skiing."

ho hum wheres the warming now?? /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

poter
 
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...just look at the Scottish snow falls, best season they have had in years, all the ski resorts are open.

[/ QUOTE ] With the greatest respect, you have not the faintest idea what you are talking about.

Twenty years ago the Scottish ski season started well before Christmas and frequently went on - with minor hiccups - until after Easter. This is a late start even by the abysmal standards of recent years. The ski industry in Scotland is in serious trouble.

- W
 
Quite. 20 odd years ago I used to buy a season ticket for Cairngorm every year, and spent most weekends from early December to early May skiing, with only a few days lost through bad weather, closed roads, etc. It's been years since that was possible. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Having said that, it's looking reasonably good at the moment. The weekend is likely to be pandemonium, but for those of us no longer in full time employment, a midweek jaunt could be worthwhile... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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...just look at the Scottish snow falls, best season they have had in years, all the ski resorts are open.

[/ QUOTE ] With the greatest respect, you have not the faintest idea what you are talking about.

Twenty years ago the Scottish ski season started well before Christmas and frequently went on - with minor hiccups - until after Easter. This is a late start even by the abysmal standards of recent years. The ski industry in Scotland is in serious trouble.

- W

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Indeed. As a teenager in the 60s I spent several summers in Rothiemurchus and there was always snow remaining on the northern slopes of the Cairngorms in July. I don't mean just a few small patches but extensive accumulations, almost a remnant glacier in one location. Haven't seen that for 20 years at least.
 
Not my quote ... just the resort managers.

ermmm

whats this then bleedin sunshine?

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"About eight inches of snow fell on Thursday and overnight just north of Stow"

poter
 
If you had read the predicted changes for Ireland, UK and Scotland, actually global warming would mean that the gulf stream would slow down, and ENGLAND would get colder and eventually freeze up when the gulf stream stops flowing altogether. No doubt global warming is here, but so far a lot of fluctuations are observed as mother earth tries to adjust or fight.
 
Oh dear another one who has been reading Newsweek, listening to Al Gore

Global Warming has now been thoroughly debunked, so I am afraid you should really get up to date, and read the latest peer reviewed science.

It beggers belief that the thing that is glaringly absent from the global warming theory is testing & no one, including the IPCC have bothered to show any real peer reviewed science. The scientific method requires exhaustive testing to validate a hypothesis. This has not been done, but instead, the environmentalists cherry-picked only periods of time when CO2 and temperature were both increasing. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

So lets get to the real science not the pseudo crap thats spouted by the likes of
Leonard DeCaprio, Matt Damon, Brad Pitt, John Travolta, Keanu Reeves, Martin Sheen -- and Al Gore? Their scientific expertise comes up just a little short.

poter
 
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Global Warming has now been thoroughly debunked

[/ QUOTE ] Only by you and similar smug self-professed experts on here who generally have no scientific background or understanding of scientific method.

- W
 
Ho hum here we go again......

Just rhetoric & abuse, it really goes to show the fear that GW fanatics now live in as the so called science is proved wrong.

As to my scientific background, well I will admit its not meteorology or even earth science based but I do have a science background - enough said.

poter
 
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Just rhetoric & abuse, it really goes to show the fear that GW fanatics now live in as the so called science is proved wrong.

poter

[/ QUOTE ]I am a social rather than a natural scientist so I'm as interested in the debate as a social phenomenon as I am in the substance of it. In relation to the substance of the debate I can only tell you that among my acquaintances this Professor of Marine Biology and this Professor of Earth System Dynamics and Modelling (yes they are father and son) both assure me that there is really no serious debate about whether anthropogenic climate change. It's only a question of how much and how fast. Scientists like Tett pere et fils have absolutely no vested interest in GW as such, they would both be as happy as any denier if it went away, and they would soon find something else to work on.
 
hmm.. so, you find 'scientists' have a good track record on getting thing right do ya ???

A good candidate for taxation........ well, three maybe...

scientists are generally loony tunes who cant get a job in McDonalds......

I suppose its better than working though.....

The SIMPLE and OVERIDING FACT is they cant predict weather accurately 2 days ahead.. and you think they can predict a GLOBAL trend.. not likely...

But, I am sure you will be a good taxpayer...

Be alert, the world needs lerts...
 
The campaign for climate change denial is largely being funded by companies like ExxonMobile - a company which is of course run by impartial scientists.

Meanwhile The IPCC is a scientific intergovernmental body set up by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) and by the United Nations Environment Programme. It was set up specifically to provide an objective source of information about the causes of climate change, its potential environmental and socio-economic consequences and the adaptation and mitigation options to respond to it.

I know which group I believe.

- W
 
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The same UN that voted to invade Iraq for WMD ??

Yes, I can see the logic of your beliefs lol...


[/ QUOTE ] Is that your best shot?

I see you also believe [ QUOTE ]
The SIMPLE and OVERIDING FACT is they cant predict weather accurately 2 days ahead.. and you think they can predict a GLOBAL trend.. not likely...

[/ QUOTE ] Maybe once you get out of La Coruna you you will be more qualified to make comments like that . . . we found weather predictions over largeish sea areas to be remarkably good for up to five days once we learned how to use GRIB files. This held true consistently all the way from Madeira to the Canaries and back to the Azores, Spain and Ireland.

I wish people on this forum would stick to debating matters they know something about . . .
 
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