Caravela 22/anderson 22 opinions?

[skellyvet]

Hi all,

My wife and i have recenly moved to south devon, have done a few weeks of chartering and dayskip/comp crew + plenty of dinghy sailing (me) and are thinking gingerly of buying a small lifting keep boat for daysailing, pottering around in estuaries and the odd overnight down the coast when we feel brave enough. Having read the reviews these two boats seem to come up often in recommendations - anyone agree/disagree?

Also considered the seal but the semi-open coachroof thing puts me off.

Many thanks.

Dan and Niki.

 

[VicS]

Sometimes Seals are modified to give a more conventional divide between inside and outside.

The Anderson 22 is I believe an excellent small boat. There will be an owner along in a minute or two.

With any lifting keel boat check what sort of projection remains when the keel is raised. The Anderson has quite a jump underneath which makes it unsuitable for drying out except on soft mud. Bilge keelers do not have such problems as a rule.

 

[graham]

Hi there. I am probably the A22 owner Vic was referring to /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Everyone thinks their boat is the best so Ill try to be impartial. The Seal is a good boat and the openable bulkhead could be an asset in warm weather.They sail well and look good in my opinion.

I dont know much about the Caravella so cant comment.

We have had the Anderson about 9 years and used her a lot. She is very seaworthy and quite quick. The sails are of a manageable size ,we rarely use the sheet winches.

The ballast part of the lifting keel remains outside the hull so drying out requires you to fit a short pair of drying legs unless on mud.

Theres loads of pictures on our "Yacht Vega blog "

There is an Anderson owners group here. Anderson 22

An owners Association website here. Anderson website

I think any of the boats you mentioned would be fine for your intended use,I can also recommend the Hurley 22 as an excellent small Bilge or Fin keel yacht.

 

[VicS]

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I am probably the A22 owner Vic was referring to

[/ QUOTE ] You are!
Pleased you could come up with a picture showing the ballast stub. Actually bigger than I remembered from the days we had one in the yard.

Other good bilgekeelers would include the Corribee, Signet, Leisure23, Sunray 21, Caravella 22 (bilge keeler) Even a Westerly 21/Warwick or Westerly Pageant (23) if you wanted better accommodation

 

[damo]

Corribee is great, but small, and a renowned sea boat.

Pageant is a superb small caravan - ugly but cute (if you see what I mean!) - and one of the few with standing headroom at that size.

I have done many miles and many passages in these 2 boats

 

[graham]

The ballast stub is attatched to the keel not the boat so when lowered you have 900 lbs of cast iron on the end of the keel keeping you right way up.

When raised the stub is a neat fit to the hull so it stops mud and stones being pushed into the slot which is a problem on some boat designs.

The legs only take 5 minutes to fit and dried out on the legs and keel I can walk around the boat from front to back and she is very stable.

If you are looking at trailing it regullarilly then the keel would need you in deeper water to float on or off the trailer.

All in all I think the keel; is an assett rather than a problem.

 

[seumask]

There was a PBO article on the Caravela 22 some time in the last 9 months. In general it gave a a very good report on the caravela IIRC.
If your budget can stretch to it may also be worth considering a Duette.
Again IIFC previous comments on the Andersons 22's often say they are great in a blow but a little slower than many of the lighter weight options in the lighter winds.

 

[DRANNIE]

If you want something light and quick then an E-boat. They are quite big inside due to the wide beam but you would have to live with a low coach roof. I mainly day sail so doesn't bother me. http://www.e-boats.org.uk/

 

[Cloona]

there was a very good Debutante - Robert Tucker designed,
triple keels for taking the ground, 4 berths, excellent sea boats, shallow draught 2'9" for beaches and up rivers for sale down there somewhere - cheaper and more beautiful than anything plastic and the"maintnance" myth for wooden boats is just a coat of paint on plywood - and they are good looking craft - blah blah blah - small boats are bets and we all love our own - sails like a dinghy -

take the plunge and best of luck with whatever you get ....

 

[Inselaffe]

Original ETAP 22 too! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Same keel idea as Anderson, which I was also looking at when I got mine.

In the end a good ETAP 22 came up so I got that & have never looked back, but am pretty sure I would have been as impressed with an Anderson.

ETAP is unsinkable because of foam, which (although giving something else to worry about - unfounded for me) more importantly for me means very quiet, good temp insulation and very dry inside.

Although I dont trailer sail, It was an advantage to easily move her around Europe with me, & she has recently arrived in Lisbon /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

PS I think I would say not to neccessarily set yourself on one particular type of boat, but get a shortlist of those that you would like & then go for the best boat available, irrespective of which of those on the list it is.

 

[geoffatstanpit]

If you can find one, the Seal Sinbad has a full-width coachroof with a "proper" companionway which gives much more room inside. It also has a conventional masthead rig instead of the slightly curious (though effective) 22 rig. There's one on the Seal website www.sealasc.org.uk at about £4k which isn't bad if it's a good'un

 

[skellyvet]

Thanks everyone - we're looking at our options (and bank account!) but all your comments were helpful.
Cheers.
dan.

 

[captainslarty]

All I can add is the Ian Anderson is one of the best designers of ocean sailing boats ever (imho)..
beautifully designed, strong and great seakeeping abilites.
Yes, I am probably bias lol, guess who desinged the Seastream 34 Ketch..... ??