Can You Identify this Boat?

[Craical]

This question has been asked already but with no joy. I am keen to indentify this boat and builder so that it can be restore to it's original spendor.
LOA approx 5mtr Beam 2 mtr and built in grp. It has a bermudan rig which I believe is not appropriate to the this style. From research I think it is based on a North East Scotland design.
Can you identify or point me in the direction of someone how can?

 

[miket]

Lovely lines

Sorry no helpful info', but she does have lovely lines.

 

[Seajet]

I honestly can't tell you why, but she looks very Scottish to me; maybe the Islands ?

Have you looked through museum pic's from that sort of area ?

 

[Even Chance]

OOH, that looks lovely.
She's not one particular design/maker. Looks like she was indeed built in the North of Scotland. I'd class her as a "Fifie Yawl". They were used for inshore fishing and lobster pots. She is indeed a very old design. Original rig would have been a single Dipping Lug sail.
Theres a boat in Portsoy, called the "Black Gold". She is a Fifie Yawl, but built new a few years ago to an old design.
There are other types of similar boat up here, but with some design differences. The "Stroma Yole", and the "Orkney Yole" are two others. These two types used either a single Dipping Lug rig, or a two masted Sprit-sail rig.

I hope this helps.
Any other questions, just ask.

 

[monkey_trousers]

funnily enough, I just bought a old fifie yawl!

http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=255885

suspect, some of the old timers up there. might be calling that a skiff maybe, some of the loch fyne skiffs had very similar lines, stern post may need to be a bit more rakish to be a true skiff

Fifie yawls are definitely NE scotland, you can narrow the majority down even further to the Moray Firth

Edgar j march's book 'sailing drifters' is the best starting point possible if you are after a history/evolution of fifie designs and rigging

Fifie yawls would definitely have been rigged with a dipping lug originally

 

[Even Chance]

Ats no a Skiff Mark! We dinna use language like that up here!!! (Fyne Skiffs have a VERY deep stern post with more rake like a Zulu anyway)
I have seen one boat built in Orkney with similar forrard lines to this one. It was definately a hybrid, but had the standard Orkney Yole stern post. Have a good look at the lines for the Grimsay double-ender. It could be similar to one of those with the strong flare showing in the pics.
The south coast of the Moray Firth may call them Yawls, but up here theyre Yoles, from the Norse translation.

 

[Even Chance]

Nice wee Fifie by the way Mark. Dont take all the good boats doon Sooth now will ye!?

 

[monkey_trousers]

plan is to take the big un back home when she's fit for it!

 

[seacock]

its a fifie

 

[Craical]

Many thanks, I have had a look at the gallery pics for Portsoy Festival and the actual boat was in a pic in 2006, which gives me a new line to pursue. Would also agree that it should be a dipping lug.
Enquires continuing dispite the weather!!

 

[Romeo]

She looks finer at the stern that your average east coast boat, and perhaps shallower than say a Dysart Yawl which makes me wonder if she is of Northern Isles heritage. I can tell you that she will be fast in a straight line, but slow to turn corners. As for rig, a boat like that would have relied on oars for close manouvering and a dipping lug for going a distance. To enjoy close quarters sailing, and especially to have the ability to go out single handed, I would go for a standing lug or gunter sloop, rather than a dipping lug.