Callum Visits North Wales.

Very sad for all affected but don't understand posting a link to a closed Facebook group which those who are not members have no access to.
 
Giblets said:
Very sad for all affected but don't understand posting a link to a closed Facebook group which those who are not members have no access to.
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Sorry I thought the original video was in the public domain. 43724200_10156576069733954_6125340030928945152_n.jpg 43750762_10156576078963954_664507487382142976_n.jpg43773367_10156576055218954_5380045845091581952_n.jpg43763429_10156576157848954_6161946144566935552_n.jpgThese are a few stills from yesterday. I think the first one shows the F11 gusts that meant I couldn't stand up outside the pub... Well that is my excuse...

All boats other than an inverted trimaran and a Hawke from one of the local sailing schools have been recovered.

Shame I cant get the videos up as they show a large Bavaria and an Amel Santorini and an old Fifer Ketch being knocked down in gusts with wind against tide conditions like toy boats. I will try and get the originator to open the permission.

The sunken boats have been recovered some nearly fully intact. All were lift keelers on half tide moorings with keels lifted. This left them at risk of knock down and flooding. A little Bene 211 (keel down) right out in the tide survived but it was showing one of its rudders out of the water most of the time! Nobody knows who owns the tri-maran not even the harbour master!

Steve
 
I believe it's the flow of the river running into the harbour thats swamping the boats. The bows point to the sea entrance I presume to take the weather from there, the river not normally being a problem. Aberaeron is a very small harbour that dries, I don't think swinging moorings are an option.
 
TSB240 said:
Sorry I thought the original video was in the public domain. View attachment 73605 View attachment 73609View attachment 73610View attachment 73611These are a few stills from yesterday. I think the first one shows the F11 gusts that meant I couldn't stand up outside the pub... Well that is my excuse...

All boats other than an inverted trimaran and a Hawke from one of the local sailing schools have been recovered.

Shame I cant get the videos up as they show a large Bavaria and an Amel Santorini and an old Fifer Ketch being knocked down in gusts with wind against tide conditions like toy boats. I will try and get the originator to open the permission.

The sunken boats have been recovered some nearly fully intact. All were lift keelers on half tide moorings with keels lifted. This left them at risk of knock down and flooding. A little Bene 211 (keel down) right out in the tide survived but it was showing one of its rudders out of the water most of the time! Nobody knows who owns the tri-maran not even the harbour master!

Steve
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Did none of the owners think of removing furled foresails, mainsails/covers/booms and cockpit dodgers to reduce windage? Or was Callum not forecast for North Wales? Perhaps he just arrived with no warning...
I wonder if insurers will ask these questions in the event of claims.
 
Yellow Ballad said:
I believe it's the flow of the river running into the harbour thats swamping the boats. The bows point to the sea entrance I presume to take the weather from there, the river not normally being a problem. Aberaeron is a very small harbour that dries, I don't think swinging moorings are an option.
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Wind against tide/river current perhaps?
 
Yellow Ballad said:
I believe it's the flow of the river running into the harbour thats swamping the boats. The bows point to the sea entrance I presume to take the weather from there, the river not normally being a problem. Aberaeron is a very small harbour that dries, I don't think swinging moorings are an option.
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Indeed so – the small inner harbour is on the opposite side in the video, and one hopes would not be so affected.
 
A1Sailor said:
Did none of the owners think of removing furled foresails, mainsails/covers/booms and cockpit dodgers to reduce windage? Or was Callum not forecast for North Wales? Perhaps he just arrived with no warning...
I wonder if insurers will ask these questions in the event of claims.
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The evidence from this storm would be that any of those precautions are unnecessary. There was only one jib and one main cover that came loose that allowed a scrap of sail to be exposed on two boats that did not capsize. The capsized boats were lift keelers with their keels lifted. There were two lift Keeler's with keels lowered and raised spray hoods that rode out the storm as well as any other. I think your criticism is misplaced.
 
ProDave said:
Okay, devils advocate here.

Those look like fore / aft moorings yes?

Which would explain how the wind / tide is swamping the stern of most of the boats, because they cannot swing.

Does this not demonstrate a fore / aft mooring is inherantly flawed compared to a swing mooring?
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I’ve seen some stupid comments on this site but these just take the biscuit. If the moorings were swing link in Aberaeron harbour we could only have about 10 boats, it’s not big enough for any more. Swinging link would possibly have helped a couple but the reason for the sinkings was logs, or should I say trees, that were washed down on a flooded river, a log would jam on the mooring line and hold the bow, stern or gunwale down as the river water washed over it.
Most of us moor for and aft facing the harbour entrance as the swell in a strong N/Westerly needs to be seen to be believed.
Added to this the local council that provides nothing but the ground chains has decided that our mooring fees should be increased by a minimum of 20% per anum for the next five years.
Will post a couple of images showing the size of logs that were hitting our boats in another post.
 
Praxinoscope said:
I’ve seen some stupid comments on this site but these just take the biscuit. If the moorings were swing link in Aberaeron harbour we could only have about 10 boats, it’s not big enough for any more. Swinging link would possibly have helped a couple but the reason for the sinkings was logs, or should I say trees, that were washed down on a flooded river, a log would jam on the mooring line and hold the bow, stern or gunwale down as the river water washed over it.
Most of us moor for and aft facing the harbour entrance as the swell in a strong N/Westerly needs to be seen to be believed.
Added to this the local council that provides nothing but the ground chains has decided that our mooring fees should be increased by a minimum of 20% per anum for the next five years.
Will post a couple of images showing the size of logs that were hitting our boats in another post.
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It wasn't meant to be a silly comment. I saw pictures of boats stern to the flow, with the water swamping over the stern flooding and sinking them. Had those boats been bow to the flow, most would have survived was my observation.

And the excuse is unsafe moorings just to get more boats in?
 
A couple of photo's to show size of logs/trees that caused the damage. The logs by the slip are some removed from the mooring ropes of boats that haven't been damaged.
The sod of it is that we had the crane booked for our harbour lift out for Friday/Saturday 12th/13th, the tides were right but obviously we had to cancel.
 
ProDave said:
It wasn't meant to be a silly comment. I saw pictures of boats stern to the flow, with the water swamping over the stern flooding and sinking them. Had those boats been bow to the flow, most would have survived was my observation.

And the excuse is unsafe moorings just to get more boats in?
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Your still missing the point, we moor facing the harbour entrance because that is where the prominent danger is from, as I pointed out, never seen anything like this in 30 years, but we get regular problems from the swell when we have strong North Westerlies so it's logical to face the point of maximum danger.
As for unsafe moorings, don't talk rubbish, just look at what happened to Holyhead a few months back with the 'Beast from the East'.
Sometimes you get conditions totally out of the ordinary, and this was one of them, bows to flow or stern to flow would not stop a 30' tree from forcing a boat under the flow of the river.
 
Here's a pic I took screenshot from a video on facebook, shows. I read a comment saying the tide was out at the time and all the water in the harbour was river flood water... bearing in mind the harbour dries that's a crazy amount.

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and one (of many I belive) that was taken off the mooring at our club on the Usk.

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