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Thanks for that direct comparison "Cap"
It's about what I experience too although I believe you will be faster than me because you have better bridgedeck clearance. Peregrine is probably better than most later Elites as she has a mast a metre higher than standard which probably means that I carry more sail area than you do, but I still have that big centre nacelle quite deeply in the water which slows me down which you don't. Nothing I can do about that. Interesting that regardless of your wider canoe sterns giving greater bouyancy where my symmetric hulls are pointed at both ends we still point at about the same angle though. I think this, and the amount of leeway we make will be very similar as we have about the same keel area and shape. We also share the fact that we don't reef until late, although over 20 knots I start to think about it on a reach as I have more area in the first place. Usually on a reach I start to worry when the log says 9 knots or so which for me is at about 18 20 knots of wind. But then I am an old sailor not a bold one /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Be interested to know your speed in those conditions. Generally I can expect a little less than half the wind speed. Ultimately I would like more speed (who wouldn't) but would not sacrifice the superb seakeeping and directional stability to go faster. I think the BB and Privilege are about as far as you can go in the performance direction without sacrificing this and still being able to carry all the cruising gear you need for a comfortable livaboard lifestyle.
Thanks again for the comparison though.... just what I was looking for!
 
Thanks for that Jeremy. Interesting comparison. Why would you not want a Prout in a hot climate though? I suspect it is because the ventilation is not wonderful on a standard boat, especially in the quarters. In mine I have fitted portlights to the quarter cabins as it is a double diamond rig with the chainplates on the hull sides not the coachroof and there are therefore no stresses there but have considered cutting two hatches into the forward windows as well for Med sailing.... Was this your point? Interesting that the Belise points higher, but not mysterious as you have good bridgedeck clearance and a very wide beam, but all that beam would worry me crossing oceans as I would worry about pitchpoling. I came back from Yarmouth recently with a Belise close behind with the wind at about 60 degrees off the bow. In the western Solent he overtook me fairly easily in 12-15 knots of wind doing about 7 knots to my 6 but then in the eastern Solent with the wind increased to 25 knots in a squall I went past him again doing 8 to his reefed down 6! Possibly his fault rather than the boat but interesting....
 
Totally agree about the Quest / Event being faster when in standard trim but load all the cruising gear on board that I have and they would stop dead in the water! Keep them light however and they would crucify a later Snowgoose. Actually so would an earlier Snowgoose.... In 30-40 knots of wind though I will stay on board the Elite I think.....
 
Lots in common boatmike & pasta-simon:
*We expect boat speed something below 50% of wind speed
* We do have quite a bit onboard, tender and 10hp on davits and lots of cruising stuff, a light boat we aren't, so light wind performance wouldn't impress anyone
* If the wind is 'wrong' we motorsail. The autoprops let us leave the engines on low and still get a push
* We get slamming when waves hit the underside of the bridgedeck (the extra height over earlier boats isn't that much I don't think) but telling which seas will cause it is tricky, it can happen out of the blue from a small wave, and then doesn't happen in much bigger seas
 
Carbon

With all this focus on weight, does anyone build carbon production cats? I know of a few one-offs but can you get a 'standard' one for the right dosh?
 
Re: Carbon

Er No! And the problem would still remain as the hull and deck mouldings are only a part of the problem. It would help of course but be very expensive. The real problem is you need moderately wide hulls with enough bouyancy to carry all the cruising gear and on a smaller boat this means not so fast. In bigger sizes (45 ft upwards) the weight of this gear is not increased and is a smaller percentage of the total allowing hulls of more modest beam. That's why it is so difficult to make smaller size cruising cats.
 
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