Micky
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Would you fit an extra on/off tap by the cooker and fridge, or simply use a straight through pipe and turn off at the bottles.
Butane Gas
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hightech
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Local tap allows you to isolate quickly if you get a flexible pipe or stove problem.
KellysEye
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Definitely fit a tap by the cooker, I think it is part of the regs.
Micky
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Definitely fit a tap by the cooker, I think it is part of the regs.
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The Regs. I keep forgetting all about these, they just never seemed to be about when i was a lad.
However, it's a new model cooker fitted today and it did come with an in line tap fitted into the metal pipe on the rear. Thing is, it's one of those taps that you screw in/out with a screwdriver.
Now the cooker is fitted, there is no-way that anyone could use it in emergency. In-fact IMO a waste of time it being there. Maybe it's something to do with those Regs.
However, i feel it probably could be an advantage to fit another on/off tap close to the cooker, one the SWMBO can get at, but a mate said "No" don't bother, it's safer to get into the habit of turning the bottle off.
I guess that does make sense, at least then, everything is off at the main supply.
Opinions on here are always greatly appreciated and some of you guys are an encyclopedia of information.
Definitely fit a tap by the cooker, I think it is part of the regs.
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The Regs. I keep forgetting all about these, they just never seemed to be about when i was a lad.
However, it's a new model cooker fitted today and it did come with an in line tap fitted into the metal pipe on the rear. Thing is, it's one of those taps that you screw in/out with a screwdriver.
Now the cooker is fitted, there is no-way that anyone could use it in emergency. In-fact IMO a waste of time it being there. Maybe it's something to do with those Regs.
However, i feel it probably could be an advantage to fit another on/off tap close to the cooker, one the SWMBO can get at, but a mate said "No" don't bother, it's safer to get into the habit of turning the bottle off.
I guess that does make sense, at least then, everything is off at the main supply.
Opinions on here are always greatly appreciated and some of you guys are an encyclopedia of information.
minquiers
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are you sure that is a tap, this could be where the fitters attach a pipe to do a drop test for the pressure,it may pay to double check on this
DaveS
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FWIW I have a solenoid valve at the bottle with a switch near the cooker. (It's also got a gas alarm with auto cut off built in, but that's the basics.) That gives you the convenience of control next to where you're working, but shutting off the whole gas line. (Gas for cooker only.)
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Re: Butane Gas ... Regs ?? Regs ??
Not that old chestnut again .....
Inland waterways have regs .... Corgi and all that. Estuary / Coastal / Seagoing / Tidal do not. QED.
It may be a req't of your Insurance Co. if some tw*t surveyor comments on it ... but if your boat is not Inland Waterways Board subject - then regs do not apply. You have to decide if you consider they are worth it ... IMHO most of the regs are good - but one or two bits are "not IMHO" that sensible ... but that's my affair .....
The turn off at bottle is best ... of course a tap at cooker is a good idea if fitted well - but to me is an extra possibility to leak either via the fitting or valve stem ....
Not that old chestnut again .....
Inland waterways have regs .... Corgi and all that. Estuary / Coastal / Seagoing / Tidal do not. QED.
It may be a req't of your Insurance Co. if some tw*t surveyor comments on it ... but if your boat is not Inland Waterways Board subject - then regs do not apply. You have to decide if you consider they are worth it ... IMHO most of the regs are good - but one or two bits are "not IMHO" that sensible ... but that's my affair .....
The turn off at bottle is best ... of course a tap at cooker is a good idea if fitted well - but to me is an extra possibility to leak either via the fitting or valve stem ....
Micky
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Re: Butane Gas ... Regs ?? Regs ??
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Not that old chestnut again .....
Inland waterways have regs .... Corgi and all that. Estuary / Coastal / Seagoing / Tidal do not. QED.
It may be a req't of your Insurance Co. if some tw*t surveyor comments on it ... but if your boat is not Inland Waterways Board subject - then regs do not apply. You have to decide if you consider they are worth it ... IMHO most of the regs are good - but one or two bits are "not IMHO" that sensible ... but that's my affair .....
The turn off at bottle is best ... of course a tap at cooker is a good idea if fitted well - but to me is an extra possibility to leak either via the fitting or valve stem ....
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Cheers Nigel.
That's the Regs out the way
As for the fitting of a tap, seems like, Six of one, Half dozen the other scenario, Do I, or don't i bother.
As you say, taps are just another source of possible failure.
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Not that old chestnut again .....
Inland waterways have regs .... Corgi and all that. Estuary / Coastal / Seagoing / Tidal do not. QED.
It may be a req't of your Insurance Co. if some tw*t surveyor comments on it ... but if your boat is not Inland Waterways Board subject - then regs do not apply. You have to decide if you consider they are worth it ... IMHO most of the regs are good - but one or two bits are "not IMHO" that sensible ... but that's my affair .....
The turn off at bottle is best ... of course a tap at cooker is a good idea if fitted well - but to me is an extra possibility to leak either via the fitting or valve stem ....
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Cheers Nigel.
That's the Regs out the way
As for the fitting of a tap, seems like, Six of one, Half dozen the other scenario, Do I, or don't i bother.
As you say, taps are just another source of possible failure.
DeeGee
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Re: Butane Gas ... Regs ?? Regs ??
Our boat came with a manual shutoff in the supply line (copper) to the oven. So, the lazy man's way (not suggesting the safest) - start and end of a cruise, on and off at bottle. Each cooking session, on and off at stove. I like the idea of an electrical shut-off valve (as long as no poss of sparks /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif)
Our boat came with a manual shutoff in the supply line (copper) to the oven. So, the lazy man's way (not suggesting the safest) - start and end of a cruise, on and off at bottle. Each cooking session, on and off at stove. I like the idea of an electrical shut-off valve (as long as no poss of sparks /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif)
VicS
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Re: Butane Gas ... Regs ?? Regs ??
You'll find a suitable electrically operated valve here on the Calormarine site. Second item down. However you will probably find a much less expensive one at BES.
I think you will find that the people who make judgements on such things say the valve should be in the gas locker. Personally I can't see why that is necessary when it is replacing a manually operated valve local to an appliance, but there you go!
This valve is in the LP part of the system and should not therefore be considered as a substitute for closing the bottle isolating valve so its value is rather reduced. Still a good idea though IMHO.
You'll find a suitable electrically operated valve here on the Calormarine site. Second item down. However you will probably find a much less expensive one at BES.
I think you will find that the people who make judgements on such things say the valve should be in the gas locker. Personally I can't see why that is necessary when it is replacing a manually operated valve local to an appliance, but there you go!
This valve is in the LP part of the system and should not therefore be considered as a substitute for closing the bottle isolating valve so its value is rather reduced. Still a good idea though IMHO.
DeeGee
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Re: Butane Gas ... Regs ?? Regs ??
Wow, £60 !! The second site only has 24v jobbies. I think I will look around. However, there was another item on that site which caught my eye. I need to be able to transfer gas from calor to camping - direct, high pressure - and there is exactly the thing I need there. Ta.
Wow, £60 !! The second site only has 24v jobbies. I think I will look around. However, there was another item on that site which caught my eye. I need to be able to transfer gas from calor to camping - direct, high pressure - and there is exactly the thing I need there. Ta.
Anchorite
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Try again!
You missed it: 1/4" 12v solenoid on BES site. About £25. It says it's to IP65 (waterproof) but nothing about explosion proof (i.e. no spark) which is what you want in a gas locker.
You missed it: 1/4" 12v solenoid on BES site. About £25. It says it's to IP65 (waterproof) but nothing about explosion proof (i.e. no spark) which is what you want in a gas locker.
colvic987
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go for the solonoid shut off , switch fitted in galley area..
so much easier than going out to the gas locker everytime.
so much easier than going out to the gas locker everytime.
Bodach na mara
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If it is the same as mine, the "in line tap fitted into the metal pipe on the rear. Thing is, it's one of those taps that you screw in/out with a screwdriver" is not a valve. it is the test point where a manometer can be attached to test for pressure retention in the system.
I wondered about a valve myself. I know the regs require it and it seems to make sense, but the regs also call for pipework to be in one length if possible, as joints are where leaks will occur. The valve involves two extra joints plus the possibility of leakage around the valve cone. I did fit one in the end.
I wondered about a valve myself. I know the regs require it and it seems to make sense, but the regs also call for pipework to be in one length if possible, as joints are where leaks will occur. The valve involves two extra joints plus the possibility of leakage around the valve cone. I did fit one in the end.
Micky
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OK chaps.
Thanks for all the feedback.
Decided to leave out fitting an additional on/off tap for now and see what the Surveyor has to say. That's when i finally get to the stages of finishing the boat off. Long way to go yet.
I like the idea of having, as few joints in the line as possible, and turning off the gas at the bottle, that gets done whenever we leave the boat, which seems to be the best road to safety. No gas=No leaks...LOL
Thanks for all the feedback.
Decided to leave out fitting an additional on/off tap for now and see what the Surveyor has to say. That's when i finally get to the stages of finishing the boat off. Long way to go yet.
I like the idea of having, as few joints in the line as possible, and turning off the gas at the bottle, that gets done whenever we leave the boat, which seems to be the best road to safety. No gas=No leaks...LOL
VicS
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turning off the gas at the bottle, that gets done whenever we leave the boat
[/ QUOTE ] Really you should do that every time you finish using the gas. I bet only a very small % do it. I know I don't. I dont even turn it off at night, which would be the next most sensible thing to do, but I like to make a cup of tea to have in bed in the morning and having to go outside to turn the gas on in inclement weather would rather spoil the effect. I do accept though that being overcome by gas during the night or being blasted out of existence would also spoil things rather.
I bet very few turn the local isolating valve off either. In fact on my own boat I do but I can reach it to turn it on again and brew a cup off tea without getting out of my bunk. If I had a remotely operated gas shutoff valve would use that thus violating what I said earlier about not using it in place of the bottle valve.
One day perhaps we'll get remotely operated bottle isolating valves!
turning off the gas at the bottle, that gets done whenever we leave the boat
[/ QUOTE ] Really you should do that every time you finish using the gas. I bet only a very small % do it. I know I don't. I dont even turn it off at night, which would be the next most sensible thing to do, but I like to make a cup of tea to have in bed in the morning and having to go outside to turn the gas on in inclement weather would rather spoil the effect. I do accept though that being overcome by gas during the night or being blasted out of existence would also spoil things rather.
I bet very few turn the local isolating valve off either. In fact on my own boat I do but I can reach it to turn it on again and brew a cup off tea without getting out of my bunk. If I had a remotely operated gas shutoff valve would use that thus violating what I said earlier about not using it in place of the bottle valve.
One day perhaps we'll get remotely operated bottle isolating valves!
