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The news on Thursday 8 December that the EU Commission has rejected the UK's application for the retention of the current derogation on red diesel is very disappointing. It will have an impact on the boating market and business implications for some companies in the industry.

The Seeing Red Campaign, run by the British Marine Federation (BMF), the RYA and the Inland Waterways Association (IWA) was successful in many respects. Through our efforts the UK Government recognised and accepted the problems that the loss of the derogation would bring and fought for the derogation to be retained. However, despite the considerable efforts of the campaign partners and the Government, we were unable to halt the EU's march on tax harmonisation.

Bad news yes, but there is no need to panic
Although the derogation officially ends on 31 December 2006 nothing will happen for the moment. The Government has to work out what measures are necessary, how to enforce them and in what timeframe this will take place. The Treasury Minister, John Healey, made it clear to the responsible EU Commissioner that the UK will need a clear transitional period in which to implement the changes required particularly as legislation at the UK level will be required to implement the EU Directive. Members can be assured that the industry will press for the longest possible transitional arrangements so that the boating community has time to prepare

So what does this mean for the industry?
We are faced with the following difficult facts:


Once the UK Government implements the levy increase the industry will not be able to sell reduced duty red diesel to leisure boat users. Leisure users will have to use Ultra Low Sulphur Diesel (ULSD - the same diesel used on the High Street).
Commercially operated vessels will still be able to use red diesel.
Marine businesses will need to take commercial decisions on the markets they wish to supply. Companies supplying the leisure market will need to source supplies of ULSD and provide the infrastructure to dispense it. This could include the need to industrially clean the red dye out of existing tanks and pumping equipment or invest in new tanks and equipment.

So what happens next?
The first move is the Government's. They need to consult with the industry following the Commission decision. We have already arranged meetings with HMRC officials and the Treasury Minister so we can start the consultation process and move forward in a pragmatic and informed manner. The BMF will involve members in the Government consultation and will be pressing for a lengthy transitional period in order for companies to be able to business plan and implement the necessary changes.

We urge members to work with us through this difficult process so that we can ensure that the industry can continue to prosper.
 
This statement seems to assume that road diesel is the only option. From reading other threads, I was under the impression that the EU decision meant a minimum (approx 20p) tax must be imposed but did not insist on the same level of tax as road diesel. Sounds like the BMF don't realize or agree with this point.
 
This is what we will have to wait and see, alot of opinion on the board is that we will go straight to white diesel and red will only be commercial.
Hoping that MBM and Marine fed will fight to put min amount on,

its a waiting game now

ian
 
I have a french chap who works for us, so today I got him to phone his mate up back in france to find out how much diesel was there for road use.
its between 81 and 87 cents !!!!!
 
If tax harmonisation were carried out to its full extent I would be delighted, road and marine fuel at contental prices, inheritance, income and capital gains at contenental prices would be just great!
Again if harmonisation were the true objective we would only stand to gain, rather than again become victims of our governments grasping nature.

The debate now is that are our dedicated training boats commercial?
 
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Dedicated trtaining boats are surely no different from charter boats and IMHO must be commercial. How can it be other!!!???

yet again ... why should anything start being rational now!

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That "Red Diesel Mist" is descending again. Buses and motoring school cars aren't allowed to run on Red. Why should charter or training vessels be any different?

Pete
 
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Ban fishing boats and ferries from using red, then. Ferries are just floating buses and fishing boats are no different to me driving to work. Best ban fuel derogation for commercial airliners, cos they're just buses with wings.

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It's only a matter of time before aviation fuel is taxed. As for fishermen, it's good politics to appear to be supporting them (like farmers). Therefore they will continue to be able to use Red.

Pete
 
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Pete, remind me what boat you have?

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Errr, it's in my profile. Hopefully the school fees situation might change next year and we will be back in the water. This red diesel thing will probably mean that we will aim for a part share in a Spanish based boat rather than a UK one.

I'm not saying I like the end of red but not being a boat owner allows me to be a little less emotional about the situation.

Incidentally, one of the things that made me give up boating was the introduction of IR27 which places additional (but fair) taxation of freelance IT contractors. In the recent budget they have further clamped down on this.

Red diesel for marine use was an anamoly that is being corrected. Future taxation at levels other than at the level of White would be an anomaly and IMHO will not happen. Allowing Red for Charter craft would also be an anomaly and not something that the Chancellor would approve of.

Pete
 
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