Bl**dy Twaddle - Dr Ladyman

[pau1gray]

Just read his statement and although I do agree with what they are trying to do - I've never heard such unsubstatiated twaddle in all my life.

If he's trying to stop accidents then why does he not also include PWC in the legislation???

 

[Sneds]

Here here imho pwc are a pain!

 

[Blackfeather]

You can't take anyone with the name 'Ladyman' seriously.

 

[pheran]

But just think - he used to be a ladyboy!

 

[terryw]

Where has he excluded PWC's??
Quote:
Once the legislation is in place, it will mean that anyone involved in the navigation of a vessel more than 7m long and/or capable of more than 7 knots will be breaking the law if they are over the drink drive limit of 80 mg/100 ml of blood.

Just about the only thing excluded here is a rowing boat. Even a canoe is capable of more than 7 knots.

 

[gjgm]

cant recall all the detail, but this is following some EU definitions regarding a "ship/vessel", and a pwc isnt categorised as a such- de facto, it doesnt fall under this law.
Doesnt mean they wont fall under some annexe perhaps.. but then we havent even got this law yet!

 

[terryw]

Assuming this is in reply to my comment, the law applies to all vessels, which according to Wikipedia is "(nautical) A general term for all kinds of craft designed for transportation on water".
Have you ever known this governmant to let anyone off the hook /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[rickp]

Suggest you read the Railways and Transport Safety Act 2003 again. It references "ship" and a recent court case ruled that a PWC could not be classed as a ship. Thats why they end up being excluded - but that will no doubt be fixed.

Rick

 

[masaccio]

It's because 15 years ago a court ruled that PWCs are not "navigable vessels" and are therefore not subject to col-regs (or, apparently, many other regs). The MCA discovered this to their cost last year when their prosecution of a PWC rider was thrown out of court for the same reason. It's daft, but 15 years ago the only PWCs around were small stand-ups which certainly were not "navigable" in any sense of the word. Of course these days the big sit-downs are capable of crossing the Channel with ease and come with GPS as standard.

Ladyman did say that they would be looking at ways of including PWCs in this legislation, so no need for everyone to get their undergarments in a twist.

 

[terryw]

But Ladyman did not say Ship, he said Vessel.

 

[rickp]

I guess he was being lazy with words - the act is quite specific.

Rick

 

[Lakesailor]

You're being pedantic.
He was interviewed on the radio the other day and said that PWCs were not included and that it was wrong and legislation to include them would be introduced as a matter of urgency.

 

[lovezoo]

In about two years time there will be a general election, so use your vote.