Big Nordic Folkboat being created and built

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Since the Nordic Folkboat has been outgrown in some ways for many people, we have created the KF37 a 11,5m or 37' long interpretation with classic looks and innovative building methods.

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We would be delighted by your comments.
Lars & Andre of KF Yachts - Karlskrona - SWEDEN
 
Obviously, being based on a classic design, it has great potential. Only criticism of initial drawing is that the topsides appear to be a bit too high. I know most modern boats look like a block of flats, however, traditionally based designs are extremely pretty when the proportions are right.

My wife & I sail a Twister - 28'3" Kim Holman design - and I remember some years ago being alongside a 'modern' 29' yacht whose side decks were actually taller than our coachroof! The designer should have had his fingers cut off!!

Good luck with the project and hopefully we'll be seeing one at a UK boatshow before too long.
 
Several comments

I do not like the rig; it should either be honest to goodness masthead or 3/4, and 3/4 suits this type of boat better.

The topsides are MUCH too high. I have a 37ft wooden boat built before WW2; she has six feet headroom in the saloon with a very low coachroof and her draft is 5ft; her freeboard is 5ft at the bow and 2ft 6ins alongside the cockpit, rising to 3ft 3ins aft. This is quite high enough.

For a traditional boat of this type and size, you should be able to stow a dinghy on deck.

The Folkboat has a transom hung rudder; I do not see why you have changed this.
 
Sorry, but I can't see the folkboat bloodline anywhere. Topsides way too high, and I must agree with Mirelle's other observations as well. Sorry for the negative feedback but she looks like a poor interpretation of a very well known and much loved classic design.
I beleive the concept is to be applauded, but the result thus far is a not fulfilling it's potential.
Any details on the beam, draft, displacement and underwater profile?
 
I really like your idea - but Surely you don't need such high topsides ? Even if the coachroof has to be more prominent, it would look better. Have you had a look at the lines of the old Van der Stadt "Trintella 29" ? He was trying to do the same as you, but smaller.
I quite like the rig, though.
Ken
 
And before the Trintella there was the Marsdiep, built 1958 (see markup pickie) There are more on Boatone's gallery site in Album 8. I've forgotten how to post the bloody things again. She has the low freeboard amidships but her sheer gives her a very high bow. Beautiful!
 
Re: Several comments

I sail a (Warington Smythe) Falmouth Pilot and have to say that I can see good reasons to move from transom hung rudder (with big rake on transom) to short counter/upright rudder trunk if designing again. As soon as you are heeled, the steering with a heavily raked transom can get very heavy as the rudder seems to operate almost as much in a horizontal plane (trying to lift/sink the stern) as vertical (actually steering). The Hiscocks had a similar problem with Wanderer V which ultimately, as far as I remember, resulted in them rebuilding the stern as a counter/internal rudder trunk with marked improvements in weight of helm.

Agree with others though, the topsides are 2-3 planks too high and, to me, the rig looks small - go to 3/4 fractional and leave the forestay height where it is.
 
Sorry but I have to agree that the topsides are far too high. Out of interest, I laid a piece of paper across the picture on my screen - raising the water line up the hull by about a third and the difference was staggering - she turned into a very attractive vessel indeed.
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Scaling up wonkily doesn\'t work.

There are a whole host of Folkboat derivations that have been scaled up: Let's take a Matu 49 for example and what you have is pig of a boat. I'm sorry to say that I agree with all of the above correspondents who say that you've taken the silk purse that was the Folkboat and turned it into a pig's ear.

Times have changed since 1938. Boats have moved on and retro may be a fashion but it's not a fashion that needs retro-retros. For an update on what you should be updating take a look at Lyle Hess's Bristol Channel Cutter and then take your own re-take on what you are punting.

With respect, You chose to advertise your new boat on this BB. The above posts have delivered a verdict - Your website shows an incomplete set of pages ... Perhaps you should go back to square one, save your pennies and start over ...
 
Re: Scaling up wonkily doesn\'t work.

It's an interesting idea .Remember the grace of the metre boats and Skerry cruisers ? That lot all had beautiful lines and delicate swept coachroofs and toerails ,good fast performance but way too much overhang for outside the Baltic-- So ,you are getting there,slowly. Any chance of seeing the underwater profile ?
 
Re: Scaling up wonkily doesn\'t work.

im living on my baltic folkboat and just now im between two plastic sailboats of the same length,in both cases their topsides are a good 4 planks higher!
As im pecking away at my pda still in bed! im looking out of my portlights,in the others i would only be looking up at them and see only the sky!
The FB is not to small as she is having such a very comfortable cockpit.
The standard size FB is not only comfortable to live in shes extreamly practical being very easy to sail always having a light helm and buy her very size being able to go where fat boats cant!
Her draft is also perfect deep and heavy enough to be stiff and stable in motor boat washed moorings,but shallow drafted enoght to miss most rocks and anchor in wonderful bays which only the very few cats can do amongst modern boats.(and many older )
Id say go ahead and build a traditional boat but its certainly not a baltic fb or even a stella,other than perhaps in dreams ,but then you can buy a al baltic folkboat
 
Re: Scaling up wonkily doesn\'t work.

I wouldn't want to live permanently on my Twister!! How can you say that living on an FB is comfortable?!!!!!
 
Re: Scaling up wonkily doesn\'t work.

I don't think he is just saying it; I think he is doing it.

Single-handed, why not?
 
Re: Scaling up wonkily doesn\'t work.

On deck.
Cat's should never be swung down below; the fur gets everywhere.
 
I think where you may have gone wrong is in linking it's design to the Folkboat. That has set some hackles rising.
If you had just announced it as a modern take on a traditinal design ethos I think people may have warmed to it.
Let's face it, in the drawing it has some grace and style, a lot more than most AWBs . A picture of the real thing would be better and of course the only real way to judge a boat's looks is to see it on the water.
 
I think its great for a yard to start building in wood,but at what cost?
I hope it will be a good boat but you cant just put a boat on a PC and press enlarge! might not work at sea

The Folkboat has sails that can be left unreefed when other boats have 2/3 reefs and rolled forsail.

A folkboat can tack two and frow all day

Single handing is relaxed comfortable and very safe

Shes so light with pine/canvass deck minimum windadge rigging topsides wise that she reacts very well in any wind and sails with a minimum of wind and is quickly a very fast boat! many larger have been serprised!

She has tiller stearing and huge uncluterd cockpit(depending on owners preference)
The proposed boat has wheel stearing! a FB has a more comfortable cockpit than many 30/45 foot sail boats with wheel stearing

A folkboat can go almost anywhere with shallow draft narrow beam but stiff form

As the IF is an updated FB im sure they would have gone larger but havent as it cant be betterd. The IF is a plastic variant very strong very well made and increadably comfortable. Self draining cockpit could easly and many have go around ther world

This year the usual count of of boats that hit ran aground on rock included myself and an IF the IF had the bottem 40cms broken off her rudder, a baveria 40 had the rudder disabled as the plastic case was destroyed and the ppu fome dident support the rudder function

The IF sailed home the baveria was rescued!!

I hope you make the boat and that shes a success but she cant realy ever be a Folkboat perhaps an audi though!!
 
Thanks for all the input and your opinions - greatly appreciated.
To answer some of all concerns, the KF37 is not simply an enlarged folkboat, that indeed would not necessarily work on the sea. Our KF37 is a modern cruiser inspired by the Nordic Folkboat. Hope it works to put a picture up.
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There are more pictures online at KF Yachts web page

Now that we can show that she is sailing and that she is sailing very well indeed, we would like to invite some more comments.

Thanks and best regards,

Your KF-Yachts-Team
 
I think she looks magnificent and certainly looks as if she would sail well.

Re the freeboard The rig looks powerfull enough to carry it .You dont have to bang your head on the deckbeams to have a wooden boat.

I think the comparison with folkboats is a red herring.This is a roomy powerfull 37 foot yacht based on Nordic design. The folkboat is a different concept alltogether.
 
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