Firefly625
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Done lots of work over the winter, will post a thread when final touches done next week. In the meantime, did get a final coat of Silveryak on wheelhouse today.
Been polishing
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hullabaloo
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like wise.
rafiki_
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Looking really nice. I too am a convert to Silveryak, thanks to your recommendation. Will be applying to Rafiki soon.
Firefly625
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hullabaloo
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Firefly625
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Nice. Had a drive of one at castle combe, a surprising amount of mechanical grip.
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Elza_Skip
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ordered my polisher today, hopefully I should get some results next week-end
Jurgen
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Idiot Doh, could have borrowed mine, am in Westbury on Trym lol
hullabaloo
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what kind of polisher? are you going to use a wax or light compound?
aquapower
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I have a bottle of Silveryak waiting at home for some better weather, never used it before so thought I should try some
Firefly625
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Well I feel a certain responsibility for it, but I don't think you will be disappointed.
hullabaloo
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i buffed my boat with 3m g10, then gave it a coat of turtle wax.
what is this silveryak? a wax or compound and is it better than my two products?
what is this silveryak? a wax or compound and is it better than my two products?
aquapower
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You certainly were responsible
Firefly625
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Ha! Excellent, good job I have broad shoulders, but I have no affiliation so don't offer refunds !
Firefly625
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It's a top coat wax, certainly better than your turtle wax IMO, containes a whopping 40% carnauba wax and has no powder residue, it's a joy to use and on the hull will last a season. Also cheaper than loads of branded tosh at £11 a bottle.
Search on eBay for " boat polish", it's a black bottle lists for around £12 . Chap accepts offers, if you offer £11 it's auto accepted. He does not go Lower (I have tried) - sorry typing this on phone and it's a fiddle to do link to Ebay, let me know if you can't see it and tomorrow I will send link.
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RogerRat
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Not seen 'AdrianB' on here for a while but he ran a company called 'Clean & shiny' and always made the point that a Canuba wax was the thing to look for in quality products. Ease of use and durability being the key points.
RR
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Sorry guys, I hate doing this..
Of the total content of wax in the bottle, 40% is Carnauba not the volume!
If say the total wax in the product is 10% (which is being extremely generous for £11) 40% of that 10% is Carnuaba.
Total Carnuaba content of product therefore would be 4%
Now, how do you get a solid, rock hard wax into a liquid form? Well you add other products to break it down. What would those breakdown products do to microscopically porous surfaces like gel coat?
Usually, the very thing that breaks down the solid wax in a liquid product will attempt to do the same to your gel coat over the months / years - IMO.
If you care enough to use products that won't harm your surfaces but in fact protect them, then I would personally steer away from manufacturers that start the relationship with a porkie pie on content!
Carnauba wax protection should be in a solid form as is possible (hard paste wax) this will have the very least of other harmful ingredients in.
Also, it will leave the most Carnauba on the surface.
That said, the product Firefly mentions is good by comparison of other spray on waxes, but keep the above in mind.
It is £11, it is easy to put on and will bead water, but it cannot replace protection, if anything it is more of a top up. This would be a better use as the breakdown products will have less chance of interacting with the surface.
I imagine you would have to apply ten coats of a spray on wax to compete with a decent paste wax. On a high performance surface though, if using on rough old gel coat it's just not going to make any difference if you put on marmalade.
Why Carnauba wax?
It creates a hydrophobic (water beading) state on the surface without silicon.
It has a melting point of over 180 degrees!
Hullabaloo - I think that your two products are the way to go if you are happy with them.
G10 is made by Farecla though not 3M and Turtle wax has a quality reputation that stretches a long way back in this game. There is better out there for the money but quality all the same.
The principle you are using is sound. - Fine polishing and waxing.
The fine polishing will offer the most protection. As ever - the finish is the protection. The wax is a close second.
Of the total content of wax in the bottle, 40% is Carnauba not the volume!
If say the total wax in the product is 10% (which is being extremely generous for £11) 40% of that 10% is Carnuaba.
Total Carnuaba content of product therefore would be 4%
Now, how do you get a solid, rock hard wax into a liquid form? Well you add other products to break it down. What would those breakdown products do to microscopically porous surfaces like gel coat?
Usually, the very thing that breaks down the solid wax in a liquid product will attempt to do the same to your gel coat over the months / years - IMO.
If you care enough to use products that won't harm your surfaces but in fact protect them, then I would personally steer away from manufacturers that start the relationship with a porkie pie on content!
Carnauba wax protection should be in a solid form as is possible (hard paste wax) this will have the very least of other harmful ingredients in.
Also, it will leave the most Carnauba on the surface.
That said, the product Firefly mentions is good by comparison of other spray on waxes, but keep the above in mind.
It is £11, it is easy to put on and will bead water, but it cannot replace protection, if anything it is more of a top up. This would be a better use as the breakdown products will have less chance of interacting with the surface.
I imagine you would have to apply ten coats of a spray on wax to compete with a decent paste wax. On a high performance surface though, if using on rough old gel coat it's just not going to make any difference if you put on marmalade.
Why Carnauba wax?
It creates a hydrophobic (water beading) state on the surface without silicon.
It has a melting point of over 180 degrees!
Hullabaloo - I think that your two products are the way to go if you are happy with them.
G10 is made by Farecla though not 3M and Turtle wax has a quality reputation that stretches a long way back in this game. There is better out there for the money but quality all the same.
The principle you are using is sound. - Fine polishing and waxing.
The fine polishing will offer the most protection. As ever - the finish is the protection. The wax is a close second.
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RogerRat
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Sorry Guys, I'm glad you did.
Being aware that Canauba wax is a good starting point is one thing, not knowing that a liquidised version will not be anything like as good, requiring many more coats or even possibly harmful is another.
I had only ever seen this type of wax product in a paste form in a tin, liquid speed wax formulation sounded great to me as easy to apply and then to polish off.
Professionals on the forum, often schools, mechanics and engine anoraks (Apols' Latestarter) contribute greatly and I see no reason why a professional polishing company should not also.
Whether your statement is an industry fact or just a personal opinion is also fine as long as it's objective. I understand your reply here to be one of fact tho. Yes?
Thanks for putting us straight.:encouragement:
RR
Marine Reflections
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RR -you are very welcome.
If the manufacturers are a little clever with the truth, sadly then it falls on someone like me to balance the scales.
I do give manufacturers a hard time, some are thankful for my moaning (most ignore me) but some were not even aware their products were being used as much as they are in the marine industry.
But I do it all for a thanks and a smiley like yours above, so thanks
Ok..
Fact or my opinion?
I believe what I have stated to be true and accurate, but as a whole we can't even decide if the world was created, what chance does my opinion on wax have?
Does the above product contain 40% Carnauba? No
Do any competing spray waxes contain anywhere near 40%? No
Is it harmful? Yes / no
It isn't going to melt the gel coat in a few sittings, far from it, in fact it looks better than before, it goes on smooth and makes it all glossy, so it's safe right?
This is a massive subject and it depends on how it was broken down, with what, what surface condition it is being applied to - porous or non-porous, rough or smooth and then of course it is subject to each manufacturer actually telling you the truth.
Then there is the 'if you think you have a few months protection on there, but in fact you only have a few weeks'.
As technology and chemistry improves so does the make up of these products, rather than being mixed with petroleum distillates, products like this can be broken down with various other waxes like beeswax, oils and through a slow melting process. But this will be in the paste wax form you are used to and not through a trigger spray.
You have to hope that the content of the product is a mixture of purified water, various oils and that way are safe for the surface they are applying to.
But even then, at best these are top up products or for detailing cars in-between washes where a full on de-wax and re-wax is not needed.
What the issue is here for me is this is the thin end of the wedge. Manufacturers claiming miracles and pulling the wool over buyers eyes.
There is nothing more harmful than neglect and there is nothing worse than thinking you have protected when you haven't.
Decent paste waxes are amazingly easy to apply and take off these days, you need to have smooth surfaces to do so however.
Take a look again at the OP's gel coat surface, he is being ever so modest. It is the condition of the surface that is the importance. He could spray 'Mr sheen' on there and it will work wonders.
Condition not product.
If the manufacturers are a little clever with the truth, sadly then it falls on someone like me to balance the scales.
I do give manufacturers a hard time, some are thankful for my moaning (most ignore me) but some were not even aware their products were being used as much as they are in the marine industry.
But I do it all for a thanks and a smiley like yours above, so thanks
Ok..
Fact or my opinion?
I believe what I have stated to be true and accurate, but as a whole we can't even decide if the world was created, what chance does my opinion on wax have?
Does the above product contain 40% Carnauba? No
Do any competing spray waxes contain anywhere near 40%? No
Is it harmful? Yes / no
It isn't going to melt the gel coat in a few sittings, far from it, in fact it looks better than before, it goes on smooth and makes it all glossy, so it's safe right?
This is a massive subject and it depends on how it was broken down, with what, what surface condition it is being applied to - porous or non-porous, rough or smooth and then of course it is subject to each manufacturer actually telling you the truth.
Then there is the 'if you think you have a few months protection on there, but in fact you only have a few weeks'.
As technology and chemistry improves so does the make up of these products, rather than being mixed with petroleum distillates, products like this can be broken down with various other waxes like beeswax, oils and through a slow melting process. But this will be in the paste wax form you are used to and not through a trigger spray.
You have to hope that the content of the product is a mixture of purified water, various oils and that way are safe for the surface they are applying to.
But even then, at best these are top up products or for detailing cars in-between washes where a full on de-wax and re-wax is not needed.
What the issue is here for me is this is the thin end of the wedge. Manufacturers claiming miracles and pulling the wool over buyers eyes.
There is nothing more harmful than neglect and there is nothing worse than thinking you have protected when you haven't.
Decent paste waxes are amazingly easy to apply and take off these days, you need to have smooth surfaces to do so however.
Take a look again at the OP's gel coat surface, he is being ever so modest. It is the condition of the surface that is the importance. He could spray 'Mr sheen' on there and it will work wonders.
Condition not product.
symondo
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handy thread!
Carnouba wax.... ive a question.
Im also waiting for a break in the weather to do some polishing on some fibreglass gelcoat needing some TLC.
Ive got 2 bottles - Meguiars Carnouba Wax and also Meguiars gold Class - which is a finer carnouba based product i believe.
both gave a good result on the small areas i tested them on - i assume any product for wax/polishing with carnouba in it is generally a good choice?
Carnouba wax.... ive a question.
Im also waiting for a break in the weather to do some polishing on some fibreglass gelcoat needing some TLC.
Ive got 2 bottles - Meguiars Carnouba Wax and also Meguiars gold Class - which is a finer carnouba based product i believe.
both gave a good result on the small areas i tested them on - i assume any product for wax/polishing with carnouba in it is generally a good choice?
