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Good morning:

I have just received an e-mail with three attachments showing the bow of a Bavaria 46 (2007) which had been ripped off. The message stated:

This is a Bavaria 46 (2007). It was sailing in the sheltered bay of Poros with a maximum wind speed of 20 kts and flat water.

As you can see, a section of the bow tore off still attached to the forestay and the mast came down. Luckily no one was hurt.

If this is the way yachts are built today we are all at risk.

I have sailed (motored) a yacht in to a quay-side at 8 kts and the results were nowhere near like this. I didn't even manage to hole the yacht!!!

In the past yachts were "over built" yet they weigh the same as yachts today.

So why do we sail this ****.... time to make some changes, don't you think?


I have read the instructions for posting an image however for some reason the box "manage attachments" does not react when I click on it.

The images which were attached to the e-mail are quite impressive and it would be nice if I could attach them so any suggestions will be welcome. The posting rules indicates that I am permitted to post attachments.

Cheers

Squeaky
 
Squeeky,

think you've opened a can of worms here!
Do you know the full facts?
Don't think Bav would be that lightly built surely?
 
Perhaps it was a cut and shut - don't know if it is possible in the same way as crooks do it with cars?
 
To include pix, the easy way is to stow them somewhere on the internet where they can be 'collected' by YBW.

The usual recommendation is Photobucket.

Log in, create an account for yourself, and post the images. They should be jpegs.

This will give each image a URL.

Then incorporate that address in your message thus, except use square brackets, not round ones:

(img)the image's url(/img)
 
Pictures

Yes please, let's see them.

A friend of mine told me a few years ago his elderly Macwester needed repair. He'd pulled the foredeck up with the forestay (tho' I didn't see it for myself).

My first boat - a Contessa 26 - had the forestay running through a hole in the deck and bolted to (from memory) a web in the bow
 
Looking forward to the pictures, but I would be hesitant to condemn the manufacturer, still less all modern boats without all the facts.

Squeaky said:
I have sailed (motored) a yacht in to a quay-side at 8 kts and the results were nowhere near like this. I didn't even manage to hole the yacht!!!
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I don't believe him. I mean, why was he doing 8 kts, looking at the log, as he approached the quay side. Several tonnes of boat, being stopped by a few centimeters of fibreglass. I reckon if he's right, his boat is bullet proof.
 
Ubergeekian said:
Bashing a Bavaria sounds decidedly risky ... the mast might come down.
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Tut tut :) That's bad! :D

This thread is going to descend into another "Bavaria's are death traps" versus "Bararia's are great mass volume boats" thread..

I don't buy alot of the criticism. They're used by plenty of sailing schools which give them a good err 'bashing' and i've sailed one and for what it's designed for it did the job perfectly.
Lastly, they're sold in the US and considering the grief Toyota has had with its cars, it would be legal legal legal if there really were any fundamental flaws.
 
"Look, if you really want this thing to point, you need to tighten up that back stay. No, more than that, more, MORE, MORE"


"Oh s***." :eek:


Just a scenario in my mind, that's all, a vision inspired by OP. I'm sure it isn't true, but it did make me smile.
 
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Good afternoon:

It is now afternoon and I am fully awake so will have another go at including the photos - I've uploaded them to Picassa.

The "manage attachments" box does not work so I will include the URL's and see if that makes them available to cynical viewers.

Just previewed this post and it appears to work if you click on the above links - not the way I would have preferred to show them but it might help calm the disbelievers.

Cheers

Squeaky

P.S. Added:

Djbreeze – I have the e-mail address of the original sender and two friends who know him and also forwarded it to me however I am not going to post them on the net – PM me if you want them.

No, I do not own a Bavaria.

Photodog – as you will note from the post above the images have been posted.

Fire99 - Yep. I'd go with that. Either give a bit of substance to your insinuation or perhaps get out a bit more often!! If you check my original post there was no insinuation and there was an explanation as to why the photos were not included. I don’t know if you got out of the bed on the wrong side or what but don’t think your comments were helpful nor justified.

Galadriel – above comment also applies to your post – what’s the matter? Can’t read or something as the explanation as to why the photos were not included was contained in the post or were you suggesting the explanation was a lie?
 
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Well ... it's difficult to get an accurate idea of the thickness of the lay-up ...

When I fitted a log impeller to our 1985 Moody, I brought the plug home to show my wife how strongly built the boat was. She looked at it, sniffed, and said, "That's not much is it?"

She said something even less overwhelming about the pictures

To be charitable, perhaps it was meant to be laid up thicker on the Bavaria and it was an off day ....

By the way, the plug is 11mm (5/8ths) thick, for some reason it's still in a drawer
 
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If you click on the little yellow icon that looks like a postcard of a mountain & then copy the link URL into the window that ops up You can display the pics direct.

My jest about the backstay tensioning looks to be more accurate than I intended! That may well have been slowly cracking up & failing over a few seasons out of sight.
 
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Good pictures. It does not look like the lay is all that substantial.
 
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