Bavaria 28 sport

[Thundergod]

Hello!

Im maybe interested in bying a brand new Bavaria 28 sport. And im seeking contact with other owners about their experience from the boat. Specially if the kind of small and tinted windscreen with only one wiper, works in reality? And if it is a must to drive with the front part of the canopy up to not get blown away by heavy winds?

Also interested in advice about engine options. Petrol V8 or D4 260/300 diesel? I have read on other internet sources that the 28 sport could be a little bit heavy in the rear with the heavier diesel engine and that the petrol V8 actually suits the boat best?

Any kind of owner experience/advise about the boat would be very welcome!

 

[enterprise]

Hi Thundergod,

We looked at the purchase of a new Bavaria 28 sport but didn't progress any further after speaking to Ancasta.

Price looked really attractive but adding the compulsory/necessary extras made the on the water price less apealing however this was some time ago.

Extras that we thought should have been part of a package were, canopies,(non included & not available via bavaria) bespoke needed to be made, delivery (from factory to dealer & dealer to customer), commisioning(dealers con I suspect as should be part of the PDI), tuition, PD Inspection etc etc.

The sum of which added an approximate £25K to the book price.

If you go the petrol V8 route expect to loose the initial outlay for the above and take a large hit in depreciation, if it's on finance then it's going to be a seriously expensive mistake.

The Diesel will be a more attractive proposition, a better buy long term for if nothing else resale value and slower depreciation but my guess it would make the boat economical to use and appealing to the second hand sector when the time comes.

 

[beejay190]

Thundergood,i have sent you a PM.

 

[Thundergod]

Enterprise: im aware of that the basic price is a very stripped down boat. I have calculated with around Euro 30K in extras.
The price difference here in Sweden between a V8 and a D4 260 is about Euro 25k. From what i understand the V8 consume about 0,5L/NM more than the D4? And at least here in Sweden diesel is more expensive than petrol and all experts say that diesel will be even more expensive than petrol the comming years. Add to that i belive that D4 260 maybe to weak for the boat and if i go for diesel it will be a D4 300 that will add another Euro 5K to the price.
Im not sure that a diesel boat will be around Euro 25 -30K more expensive as a second hand boat than a V8?
I like the comfort of the new diesel engines but i dont know if a diesel engine is the right choice for the 28 sport?


Do you have other coments about the boat? Pros and cons?

 

[P4Paul]

I am 75% certain that the current model 28 will have superceded the model offered by Ancasta to Enterprise as I think that the lastest 28 was launched after Clipper Marine took over the UK Bavaria Mobo distribution.

That doesn't mean that I think that Enterprise's comments are not relevant, just that the model and the pricing maybe different.

To be fair, we are just awaiting delivery of our new Bavaria 34 Sport and playing around with the various factory fitted packages rather than straight options saved quite a few £K's.

Just my thoughts, hope they help.

 

[Thundergod]

Thanks for info! I didnt know that it was the old 28 Enterprise had been offered. To me the new 28 sport that was launched 2009 is a totally different boat than the old one. It would be interesting to her your thoughts about the 34 Sport after delivery. I am a little bit interested in the 31 sport also. But we have a limited draft to our mooring place that is aprox 1,30 m. With that in mind the smaller 28 would be the only option for us i think.

 

[enterprise]

Sorry, didn't realise you were in Sweden, prices waterside here in the UK mean petrol is double the cost of diesel which is why I recomended diesel and why the resale value is such a concern with a UK based petrol boat.

Back when we enquired Ancasta were the sole UK dealership, picking up a brochure at the london boat show we were attracted by the headline price which looked great and within budget but after a quick phonecall the reality was that the 'on the water' price added enough to take it way above what we had to spend, I thought their pricing strategy was a little confusing but I suppose if you didn't want canopies etc then no problem.

No deals back then either as it was new to market and no second hand around to compare depreciation, I'm sure in the current climate there would be package deals and as you have already accounted for the extras I can see the relevence of the petrol V diesel question given your situation.

If the petrol meet's your needs and there is a genuine saving I see no reason to opt for the diesel but you have to ask, why such a premium for the diesel, the range will be higher but you have already considered that.

I think i would still pick the diesel, but thats just because Im here in the UK, sorry thats not really helpfull is it?

 

[lovezoo]

I think i would still pick the diesel, but thats just because Im here in the UK, sorry thats not really helpfull is it?

Well you can't look at it through UK eyes, because cost and availability of petrol vs diesel is not the same abroad. Here in Spain where red-diesel doesn't exist, there are far more petrol boats than you see in the UK - presumably because there isn't cheap fuel to offset the extra cost of the diesel engine.

Also all the marinas have petrol as well as diesel, which again just isn't the same as the UK. The diesel will undoubtedly use less fuel than the petrol, but the question is, is the saving big enough to justify the extra outlay.

 

[Thundergod]

Enterprise: no problem. Interesting to read how big difference there is between countries in the EU regarding fuel.
In Sweden all marinas have both petrol and diesel. Diesel is about Euro 0,10 /L more expensive than petrol. This difference will increase the coming years because of higher demand for diesel than petrol.

So if the D4 save 0,5 L/NM and diesel is more expensive /L + the Euro 25K price difference. I have to drive A LOT of nm during a lot of years to justify a diesel engine. I dont know if you guys agree about that?