Bank Holidays - TUC - n.b.

[mikewilkes]

<"Millions of employees could give our leisure and retail industries a boost or take a long weekend away and help our tourism sector. Others could simply be enjoying a well-earned extra lie-in and a very happy Monday." >

More time off to go on your boat. BUT where are all these millions of people. I thought GB inc had become a service company not a manufacturing company now.


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[ubuysa]

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I thought GB inc had become a service company not a manufacturing company now.

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No comrade brother, Britain is a nation of good, honest, upstanding and pure thinking workers toiling nobly to feed their families, but they are being bullied and forced to work for slave wages in workhouse conditions by bosses and company owners who pay themselves fat-cat salaries whilst sharing none of the wealth of production with the workers. Long live the revolution! /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

Tony (not entirely serious) C.



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[Mudplugger]

Tony, you forgot that those of us who work for a living, not only don't share in the rewards (not much anyway) but have to support all of those nice Goverment/Local Goverment/NHS/Education/ Police/ Fire etc. employees, as well as those that don't have the pleasure ! We go sailing to forget!. Regards Tony W.

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[ShipsWoofy]

Would you rather see the MOD, Fire, Police, NHS, Teachers, Ambulance drivers etc all disappear. Some of these groups work very hard and are given very little resource to keep the country working.

Granted there is a large proportion of Civil service jobs that it becomes anyones guess what they do all day.

It is very easy to hit out at Civil Servants as useless and bludgers but I feel you should be a little less quick to do this, some of us take our roles very seriously and do everything we can to keep costs low and save in my case the MOD a small fortune. It would cost you in some cases 4x more if the Government moved the work to private industry.

What is it you hate so much? or do you hate all employees? Anyone who does not run a cottage industry must be a lazy good for nothing factory worker?

Please clarify?

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[benjenbav]

somebody blundered...

Well, as it's the 150th anniversary of the Charge of the Light Brigade today perhaps we should have a bank holiday.

(Also 150th anniversary of the Thin Red Line and Scarlett's uphill charge with the heavies given that they happened on the same day)

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[Peppermint]

Re:It\'s not your fault

that nobody likes you Civil Servants, LGO's, Dustmen, Fire hero's and Medics. Your wages and benifit packages are just the way it goes. Your all hard workers to a man and it's not your fault that so much of your toil has no worthwhile end product. Thats just policy.

Nobody hates you at all. All us self important business men are just so happy that we can pay for your thirty odd years of retirement. The feeling that we've been toiling harder for less return lately while filling in forms and responding to HMG's, Local Authorities, EU, Qwango's and Uncle Tom Cobbly's questions or financial demands hasn't caused us to even dislike public sector workers even a little bit. Even the joyous news that we may be able to extend our careers into our 70's to help pay for the countries burgeoning public sector and regional government is nothing but a challenge to us.

Lord knows I've had my chance. If I'd just towed the line and stuck at it as a local authority civil engineer in three months I could have retired at 50, with over £30k a year for life. So clearly no feather bedding there then. Thats what all my former collegues are going to do, leaving a serious shortage of qualified and experienced civils in their wake.



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[oldgit]

Ooooo more days off ..Yes please...NM.

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[sailorman]

u forgot the
EARLY RETIREMENT BIT ON MEDICIAL GROUNDS
iif they can wangle-it
"cash pumped" into policing year-on-year say the goverenment & L/A .
most of it goes in pensions before those serving get the remainder


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[pessimist]

Re:It\'s not your fault

Oh dear, you old cynic you! Couldn't agree more though - the increase in bumpf for business increases year on year. Bit like civil service pensions really.

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[ShipsWoofy]

Yes how disgusting that some might fall ill and rely upon a pension scheme to which they have paid into to help them out when they can no longer work in the job for which they had been employed.

Scavengers and thieves the lot of them. Much rather be ill and struggling in life than be healthy and able to work. Everyone who wangles medical retirement must lie their socks off to live the life of Reilly yes?

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[sailorman]

u missed "Enhanced" out

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[Joe_Cole]

I think you are missing the point that there is an abnormally high incidence of both "illness" and retirement on the grounds of health in the public sector. I don't think that anyone will not want to see an employee properly looked after by an employer in genuine cases. However, most will agree, that in the public sector sick pay and early retirement have become endemic. In some cases they have come to be regarded as being one of the "perks".....not in every case....but in many.

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[sailorman]

well done Joe.
THAT IS EXACTLY THE POINT.
more Police seem to retire on medicial ground that @ the normal date / time 30 yrs of service

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[halcyon]

You forgot the payments to the teacher's working as supply teachers at a very good rate after taking early retirement.
What I need to know is how can I get early retirement, at the current time scale normal would seem a good thing. What if the forum form a IT firm and bid for the health contract. at the Billions there talking we should have no problem, we could have a forum marina, well at least aford a group MDL birth.

Brian

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[sailorman]

is "birth" a play on words or cock-up???.

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[ShipsWoofy]

You do all seem to forget that your minion public servants are payed much less than their industry counterparts. The pension scheme is an incentive to continue employment and not head off for pots of gold in industry.

Enhanced pensions have finished, the new pension is in line with industry. I pay a sizable chunk of my monthly salary. It was free or at least taken at source, but I converted as the new scheme offers better protection.

If I take medical retirement, I am frightened of the back lash from people in the private sector calling me a scavenger. Yet if I worked for BAe for example and left on their medical scheme people would be more accepting.

It is not my fault I am a civil servant, I am productive, there is an end product. Time after time we have proved to be better than industry at what we do. I enjoy my work, it is cheaper for the taxpayer to employ me than have the work done by industry. Everyone wants defence, yet they want us to maintain it for free. Then we are attacked for schemes that keep the average salary down.

It is a lose lose situation.

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[sailorman]

according to your Bio u sleep most of the time

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[Joe_Cole]

Nothing like a few sweeping generalisations!

I can't let you get away with your claim that public sector staff are less well paid, or that "Time after time we have proved to be better than industry at what we do" without asking you to support those claims.

I think you work in the defence sector (forgive me if I am wrong). Only a short while ago the Parliamentary Defence Committee (or it may have been the Public Acoounts Committee) reported on the shambles of Defence procurement. Can you really support your arguement in the face of that criticism?

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[AlexL]

Thats what the public sector unions keep banging on about - but the reality is alot different. I have a couple of freinds who graduated at the same time as me, and are both in the public sector (teachers) both earn about the same, if not a bit more than me, both have top drawer final salary pensions, as do I, but it is being withdrawn from most of us in the private sector. Most people in smaller businessesin the private sector get paid alot less than similar roles in the public sector, have no pensions and no benefits such as paid maternity leave.
I will have to work to 70 - I bet all the 30ish year old teachers and police won't have to. Last year almost all of a 10% council tax rise went into teachers pension contributions - nice.

I've no doubt that most public sector workers are dedicated and work hard, and god knows I wouldn't do alot of the jobs, and there are ar***holes in both public and private sector, but I do wish the public sector would respect the fact that we pay for it all and we work hard to - and banging on about their excellent working conditions when the rest of us have been told to work till we're 70 is a little insensitive.

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[pragmatist]

"everyone wants defence" ? I don't think so. Perhaps our taxes could be used for something more useful than the Navy prancing around, Harry enhancing the Army with his polo skills or the new and unused submarines which have just been sold off to Canada.

And while we're on the subject of early retirement, how about all those poor teachers who retire as the result of stress ? My if I had their holidays I'd find working for a living stressful.

Rant over

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