Baja madness

[jimmycc]

Ive just learnt that if you buy a baja boat, say at £120k you only get a three month warranty on the engines (twin V8s). They recommend you buy a spare engine at £40k and they will then extend the warranty! Strangely i won't be buying one of their boats then.
Do any other manufacturers operate like this?

 

[Will_M]

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you only get a three month warranty on the engines (twin V8s)

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mmm... You do know you are typically talking about MerCruiser 600SCI and EU662SCi supercharged race breed engines with XR drives or NXT transmission and dry sump Six drive as built by Mercury Racing, don’t you? As you would expect to find in say a Baja 35 outlaw for example.

Not your standard off-the-self stock engines, as said ‘race breed’, you get limited warranties on these, kinda of goes hand in hand with being ‘race breed’…

So nothing odd about the very limited warranty.



Here, this is the kind of beast you are talking about.

 

[Whitelighter]

I don't think that is legal in the EU. Fit for purpose and all that, even if it was in their contracts, I think you could argue it was an unfair term.

 

[jimmycc]

Race or not, would you buy a ferrari with a 3 month engine warranty. I think not.

 

[Remmington]

Probably would if I didn't give a dam about cost and I wanted it now...........

 

[Nautical]

As others have said the motors are really slightly detuned race engines but still are tuned to the nuts, doubt anyone would stand over any semi race engine for more than three months, pesonally I wouldn't stand over it for three weeks given the way some of those petrol heads drive em over there!


It would be kind of like going with your Ferarri 430 to race tuner and saying give me another 150 horses minimum and then go back to Ferrari after a track day blow up and ask for your money back or a new engine, methinks you'd be shown the door /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[Will_M]

Mind you…. This bad-boy HPI1200 SCi, comes with ZERO warranty!

But you do get yourself 1200hp from a 9.1ltr V8 running a pair of Lysholm twin screw superchargers, multipoint fuel injection and BAM Cyborg dry sump transmission coupled to the dry sump Six drive.

(be honest even the names ‘Cyborg’ sound fast, don’t they!!)

You’d struggle to fill up at your local MDL as said engine requires minimum 114RON of your very finest petrol.

 

[Fire99]

Now one of those bad boys in my Shetland Black Prince 23 would be err 'interesting'. Think i may need Doc Brown's number when i appear in 1954 to get me home /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

[spannerman]

Got two of these babies in our Nortech 36, lovely sound and so far no problems.

 

[MapisM]

Don't know exactly which Bajas we're talking about here, but assuming they're ordinary boats of their standard range (however fast), sold to whoever wants to buy them for normal boat usage, then I'd definitely expect a standard warranty, even if they decide to stick a rocket in the engine bay.
That's in fact their choice, and they must support their products.
As I understand it, we're not talking about bringing a Ferrari 430 to a tuner to squeeze more performance out of it.
It's just a plain Ferrari 430, as offered by the factory. Sure it's a a fast car, but must be fit for purpose and the producer must cover any fault with proper warranty.
It the car is used for track races (or the boat for poker runs etc.) then the warranty might not apply, but that's because of an 'uproper' usage, not because the products themselves are fast!?
After all, they ask more money for those cars/boats, don't they?

 

[Nautical]

Somewhat true but I don' think many people buy these expecting them to be run of the mill production boats, they are very specific machines to basically go like poo off a shovel, much the same as some of the specialist car manufacturers that will build a car to your requirements, if you specify a race tuned engine or as damn as near one then you are not just pootling about its going to be driven in semi race mode and I imagine in the boats most people will do poker runs, club events and generally drive it like it was intended. Thats a huge amount of horse power from even a big block V8 and although a strong motor it is still a very highly tuned engine working in a very hostile environment for a petrol engine. If you don't want a 100 knts then spec a lower spec production motor, you still see 60 - 70 knts and a warranty.

I dont see anyone buying one with these motors and using as normal cruising boats, for a start with the real full on engines they are not really suited to pootling about the marina or dodging about in a bay and not the easiest of boats to handle in very slow mode spesh with those surface props which are not hugely grippy astern.

 

[Whitelighter]

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Don't know exactly which Bajas we're talking about here, but assuming they're ordinary boats of their standard range (however fast), sold to whoever wants to buy them for normal boat usage, then I'd definitely expect a standard warranty, even if they decide to stick a rocket in the engine bay.
That's in fact their choice, and they must support their products.
As I understand it, we're not talking about bringing a Ferrari 430 to a tuner to squeeze more performance out of it.
It's just a plain Ferrari 430, as offered by the factory. Sure it's a a fast car, but must be fit for purpose and the producer must cover any fault with proper warranty.
It the car is used for track races (or the boat for poker runs etc.) then the warranty might not apply, but that's because of an 'uproper' usage, not because the products themselves are fast!?
After all, they ask more money for those cars/boats, don't they?

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4 year warrenty on the F430 now, including the F430 Challenge Stradale which IS race tuned from the factory

 

[Will_M]

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Got two of these babies in our Nortech 36, lovely sound and so far no problems.

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As in one of these... YOU TUBE footage of Nortech 36 cat

Proper nice!!!

 

[Fire99]

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4 year warrenty on the F430 now, including the F430 Challenge Stradale which IS race tuned from the factory

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I think there is Race Tuned and RACE Tuned. World Superbike engines only need to last a few hundred miles and F1 engines need to last 2 races.

All depends how these engines are sold. If i bought a new factory prepared race bike i'd expect it to last a very short time between rebuilds.
However if i bought a Honda road bike i'd expect 3 years without significant issue...

 

[Mike_S]

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4 year warrenty on the F430 now, including the F430 Challenge Stradale which IS race tuned from the factory

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Only for road usage though surely ? If there's any sign of trackday usage though they'll back out of a warranty claim if they can even remotely suggest it's related to it ?

 

[MapisM]

100 kt?

I suspect we went a bit o/t here.
The original question was about a 120T£ boat.
How much of a 100kt twin engines boat do you think that money can buy?
It's easy to guess that we're not talking about blueprinted engines, dry sump drives, surface props, staggered configuration, etc.
Much more likely to be just a plain rip-off, imho.
And the warranty extension upon the purchase of a spare engine, how should we call that?
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[st599]

That bad boy comes with the statutory minimum warranty of being fit for purpose for a period of 2 years under ordinary use.

If it doesn't it can't be imported into the EU.

 

[Will_M]

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That bad boy comes with the statutory minimum warranty of being fit for purpose for a period of 2 years under ordinary use.

If it doesn't it can't be imported into the EU.

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No the ‘tame versions’ such as the 662 come with a limited 1 year warranty, with many a clause to void said warranty. Such as the obvious racing and chartering clauses you see with product warranty.

The real ‘bad boy’ model, the 1200 is supplied without warranty, even the 1075 only comes with a 90 day warranty again with the normal clauses in place to void the warranty.

For these very reasons you won’t see alot of these models outside the US, and even then they are some restrictions into where these products are supplied.

Being realistic how many Baja dealers do you know in the UK, there is only the one I believe!!!!

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[spannerman]

That is our Nortech inn the video with Aslak the salesguy driving it with some reporters on board.
As you can see the grin is compulsory i,e, wind induced!!!

 

[SeadogUSA]

You are selling a boat that inhales high octane fuel at a suction rate most Hoovers would kill for, with more power than many large yachts, and with very limited room for passenger comfort, to someone with more money than common sense. How much warranty would you be willing to offer? Some of those who would buy that beast are proud that they have something that is so powerful that they cannot get a warranty. I don't mind them paying all that money and not getting the standard 3 year Mercruiser warranty, but I do worry about being on the water with them.