Azimut quality in 2007+ years

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last week I saw an Azimut 53 of 2009, and the big three-barred window looked strange from outside.
at the edges, it seemed you could see the glue used to fix the window to the hull, at an area of about 15-20 cm all around the edge.
Both port and starboard side windows of the boat.
Someone here that can tell more if the nice design of the AZ53 and AZ58 boats is backed by good quality?

thanks for any comments
 
Have seen a few of these Azimut 58s and the bonding of the windows was never a problem to them.

The windows are indeed glued to the hull so I cannot understand the question, and Azimut is not the only boat with this system.

So as far as I know I have never seen a window failure on an Azimut.

The 58 was later transformed in a 60, and indeed the window design has remained more or less the same.

If you think you have water infiltration in these windows I would suggest doing a power wash test to the window.
 
Azi has used direct glazed Windows for many years. I think most of the larger builders use the same process now, which is why you see more hull glazing three days than 10 years ago.
 
No known failures. Concur with PYB. Good company well produced boats Viarreggio. Survey or power wash. If you have ownership concerns take a leaf from the charter coded vessels and keep an emergency replacement (marine ply will work secured to the inside)
 
PowerYachtBlog said:
Have seen a few of these Azimut 58s and the bonding of the windows was never a problem to them.

The windows are indeed glued to the hull so I cannot understand the question, and Azimut is not the only boat with this system.
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It was not the question of leaks, but cosmetic thing as from outside it looked really ugly as you could see traces of the glue all around the galss edges
 
It is a used boat, so may be someone did a messy repair.

Azimut deliveries here in the Med are very spot on, but most are done from there base in Savona or Marina di Varazze, which helps for QC.
Elsewhere I do not know.
The base in Savona could be a building yard for some, for Azimut it is a delivery repair center.
 
mike_me said:
last week I saw an Azimut 53 of 2009, and the big three-barred window looked strange from outside.
at the edges, it seemed you could see the glue used to fix the window to the hull, at an area of about 15-20 cm all around the edge.
Both port and starboard side windows of the boat.
Someone here that can tell more if the nice design of the AZ53 and AZ58 boats is backed by good quality?

thanks for any comments
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I've never looked at bonded windows that closely, but would the glue line be 6-8" in from the edge? Did you mean mm?
 
mike_me said:
...at an area of about 15-20 cm all around the edge.
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I don't understand what you're trying to say there. 15-20 mm? It is necessary to have 20mm or so of fretting but that doesn't reveal the glue so perhaps that's not what you mean. Also it is normal to see a bead of glue around the edge of the glass but it would be 5-10mm and no more. If a window's piece of glass is say 300x300mm then the recess in the grp moulding will be 310x310 to allow a 5mm bead of glue all round. See for example these instructions for bonding marine Windows using sabatack 760xl, which is a widely used window glue.
Could you explain the thing you're seeing on the azimut a bit better?
 
I meant about 15 cm, as I wrote it. It is about 6-7 inch. maybe it was no glue but a kind of film on the inner side of the glass (sun protection film as sometimes yoused in cars) that was done by the owner in an ugly way. If I am in that area again I can make a photo of it.
However yesterday I looked in detail an AZ58 of 2008, which was very beautiful. Gelcoat in good condition, interiour beautiful.
only two questions arised:
- the engine hours of the MAN 800hp engines were not displayed correctly in the analog instrument's LCD. left engine showed 67142 hours and right engine showed 99999 hours. Owner said it has around 700 hours and mechanic needs to fix the displays. Is there a known issue with the MAN displays and can one be sure that MAN mechanic is able to see the true hours with his laptop?
- strange noise in midship cabin: there are massive squeaking noises in the midship cabin when above in the saloon someone walks. Ok I admit the person walking in saloon was quite heavy. but noises were really loud like two layers of grp rub against each other. Of course I expect some noise but this was sounding strange.
beside that, I like this boat really. Amazing space on flybridge and nice shapes everywhere, great hydraulic bathing platform etc.

thanks for your thoughts!
 
Those R6 (more the early models) have the control unit of electronics which go. This unit is not the outside dash unit but is a box in the engine.
Be sure if you move ahead with purchase to discount it from price as it is not cheap, and get a Man mechanic to do a full diagnose of the engine.

I just spent 2000 EUROS to fix those for a client of myn, and the only way to fix it is to ship in Germany and bring it back. Takes about two weeks more or less.
The good news is that normally you can still use the boat with this fault.

For the noise I do not know. Was it the fore or midships cabin?

Still in my book I would say Man R6 800hp is the best engine in this size since 2005.
 
mike_me said:
- strange noise in midship cabin: there are massive squeaking noises in the midship cabin when above in the saloon someone walks. Ok I admit the person walking in saloon was quite heavy. but noises were really loud like two layers of grp rub against each other. Of course I expect some noise but this was sounding strange.
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That would worry me. If you overnight at anchor and the boat is rolling a bit, a creaking ceiling will drive you mad! Internal panels should be glued or wedges used to stop any movement between them, otherwise the boat will creak. I agree Az58 is a lovely looking boat with a great layout, but I'd want to investigate those noises more.
 
mike_me said:
the engine hours of the MAN 800hp engines were not displayed correctly in the analog instrument's LCD.
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I'm a bit confused. By "analog instrument's LCD", do you mean the very small LCD display within the analogue rev counters?
I'm asking because I'm familiar with this problem, having recently seen 4 different boats powered by MAN electronic engines, and in ALL of them the MAN displays were showing silly engine hours.
And also Deleted User experienced the same on his boat, btw
But I'm talking of the colour displays called MMDS, where you can see all engine parameters.
Otoh, I've also seen other boats with mechanical MAN engines, whose hour meters were shown in a small LCD display within the rev counters, but they were always fine (well, one of them was faded and hardly readable, but that's another matter of course).

Anyway, the fact that this MAN displays defect is so widespread, and on top of creating an inconvenience to the boaters they make a business out of it, charging ridiculous fees for what is probably 10 minutes worth of resetting a firmware (and due to a defective product, to start with!), that drives me nuts.
I'm not saying that in my boat search I'm ruling out boats equipped with electronic MAN engines for this reason, but almost... :ambivalence:
 
Nick_H said:
That would worry me. If you overnight at anchor and the boat is rolling a bit, a creaking ceiling will drive you mad! Internal panels should be glued or wedges used to stop any movement between them, otherwise the boat will creak. I agree Az58 is a lovely looking boat with a great layout, but I'd want to investigate those noises more.
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This doesn't surprise me. This series of Azi seemed to me (from being on a few of them at boat shows) to be built pretty "flexibly" and I've written that on here before. There is lots to love about this boat but the way all the furniture and panels move around is not its best feature. Might not bother you if you can just get to the squeak to fix it with a squirt of polyu glue
 
Nick_H said:
I'd want to investigate those noises more.
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I agree with your conclusion, but based on the description (heavy person walking above the ceiling, I suppose around the central part of it), I very much doubt that it would happen just due to some rolling.
Worth checking anyway, of course.
 
MapisM said:
Anyway, the fact that this MAN displays defect is so widespread, and on top of creating an inconvenience to the boaters they make a business out of it, charging ridiculous fees for what is probably 10 minutes worth of resetting a firmware (and due to a defective product, to start with!), that drives me nuts.
I'm not saying that in my boat search I'm ruling out boats equipped with electronic MAN engines for this reason, but almost... :ambivalence:
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Still the best engine of all the 800hp available out there. Yes it has this small glitch, which can easily be found on survey and discounted on price!
But anyways Volvo charges similar money to fix problems on D4 electronics which by the way is a 1/4 displacement of this engine. and as an engine costs like 20% of the price as well.
 
PowerYachtBlog said:
Still the best engine of all the 800hp available out there.
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I know that the current 800hp MAN is 6L rather than 8V, but I recently asked to Latestarter his opinion about several engines I came across in my boat search, all in the 700 to 800hp power node (MAN V8 800hp, Cat C12 710hp, Cat C15 800hp).

And his answer was along the lines of...
1st: C15
2nd: C15
3rd: C15
...Just for the records! :)
 
PowerYachtBlog said:
Those R6 (more the early models) have the control unit of electronics which go. This unit is not the outside dash unit but is a box in the engine.
Be sure if you move ahead with purchase to discount it from price as it is not cheap, and get a Man mechanic to do a full diagnose of the engine.
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What exactly happens when this fault appears, how do you recognize it?
thanks!
 
MapisM said:
I'm a bit confused. By "analog instrument's LCD", do you mean the very small LCD display within the analogue rev counters?
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Yes exactly, the small LCD within the analog rev counter. After seeing that issue, I asked the owner to check the bigger LCD (multi line LCD) of the engines, and he scrolled through the pages with the scroll button but beside several temperature/pressure etc parameters there was no entry showing the engine hours. Maybe he just did not know how to get into the right page?
We are again at the boat in 2 days so in case there is a way to see the hours on that display, I appreciate your hint.

thanks!
 
MapisM said:
I know that the current 800hp MAN is 6L rather than 8V, but I recently asked to Latestarter his opinion about several engines I came across in my boat search, all in the 700 to 800hp power node (MAN V8 800hp, Cat C12 710hp, Cat C15 800hp).

And his answer was along the lines of...
1st: C15
2nd: C15
3rd: C15
...Just for the records! :)
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C15 is a very good engine but is not she on the half electronic lines sort of pre R6 (Common Rail) era?

My remark of being best is for the line of modern CR engines which as far as I know, the R6 was also one of the first.
 
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