Austin Lifeboat Engine (nostalgia warning)

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Just been reading through an Austin Lifeboat engine manual dated 1944 which I bought on Ebay. Brings back the joys of simple engines as we had one in my fathers converted lifeboat which he bought in the mid 50s.

The engine had no electric start, no alternator or generator so the engine was hand start with an impulse magneto. Timing the impulse magneto was difficult as it would jump just as the contacts were opening so you had to time it backwards.. There was a rubber coupling disc which had gears on the face with 20 teeth on the magneto side and 19 on the engine side. This allowed the timing to be varied by ½ a tooth to give finer adjustment. When the engine would not start, the magneto was quite often taken home and put in the oven to dry it out.

The engine had side valves with little collets which slipped down into the sump if you were not careful. Gearbox was an epicyclic with three toggles to adjust forward and a brake band for reverse.

We spent many happy hours cranking like mad to get the bu**er started, sometimes with heating the plugs in the flames of the cooker and adding a spoonful of petrol to each cylinder. Quite often it would stop for no reason and would not start gain for an hour, other times it ran fine.

Eventually in 1960, having developed “Tennis Elbow” cranking the darn thing, my father splashed out and bought a brand new BMC Veddete engine (based on the Morris 1000) with electric start and a generator ………………….Bliss.

PS The new BMC Veddete engine used the same design of gearbox and reduction gear. All before PRM and the like were even off the drawing board.
 

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Ah memories !! We ran our on TVO in the dark the cylinder head glowed a dull cherry red around the spark plugs recesses . Used road gear box too !!
 

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My father was concerned with the development of the release system for the Airborne Lifeboat during WWII. Quite a nice craft, sailed quite well, but had a Ford V8 engine as well.

In one of the early tests (at Queen Mary's Reservoir, near Staines) the parachute failed to open properly, and the lifeboat hit the water bow-first, submerged and stayed down. The services of the RN diving school at QMR were called upon, but a week's search produced no lifeboat.

A few days later Dad was sitting beside the commandant of the school at a dinner, and mentioned the failure to him. He exploded: "That's ridiculous! Come back tomorrow, we'll have it up for you."

Dad went back tomorrow, and they had the lifeboat up within three hours. But it came up without its Ford V8 engine.
 

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Ah memories !! We ran our on TVO in the dark the cylinder head glowed a dull cherry red around the spark plugs recesses . Used road gear box too !!

The Austin 7 engine was so popular in the 50's and I remember so many in boats on the river Stour fitted with the car gear box. Ahead was fine but you had to rev like hell in reverse to achieve anything. Updraft carbs so one of many reasons the BSS might not approve!:D:D
 

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Just been reading through an Austin Lifeboat engine manual dated 1944 which I bought on Ebay. Brings back the joys of simple engines as we had one in my fathers converted lifeboat which he bought in the mid 50s.

The engine had no electric start, no alternator or generator so the engine was hand start with an impulse magneto. Timing the impulse magneto was difficult as it would jump just as the contacts were opening so you had to time it backwards.. There was a rubber coupling disc which had gears on the face with 20 teeth on the magneto side and 19 on the engine side. This allowed the timing to be varied by ½ a tooth to give finer adjustment. When the engine would not start, the magneto was quite often taken home and put in the oven to dry it out.

The engine had side valves with little collets which slipped down into the sump if you were not careful. Gearbox was an epicyclic with three toggles to adjust forward and a brake band for reverse.

We spent many happy hours cranking like mad to get the bu**er started, sometimes with heating the plugs in the flames of the cooker and adding a spoonful of petrol to each cylinder. Quite often it would stop for no reason and would not start gain for an hour, other times it ran fine.

Eventually in 1960, having developed “Tennis Elbow” cranking the darn thing, my father splashed out and bought a brand new BMC Veddete engine (based on the Morris 1000) with electric start and a generator ………………….Bliss.

PS The new BMC Veddete engine used the same design of gearbox and reduction gear. All before PRM and the like were even off the drawing board.

Sounds like the old Austin 12/4 engine, developed after WW1 for the 12/4 car. I used to bake the Mag in a low oven every 6 months to maintain dry windings. They were very widely used in all sorts of vehicles from tractors to taxis. I read ne article on the engine by an ex taxi company mechanic who as an apprentice had to, when he started at something like 6am, remove all the spark plugs from over 100 taxis and heat them over the night watchmens brazier before replacing them and starting the engines. The car version gave 27 BHP at 2000 rpm which got the car up to about 40 MPH on a good day
 

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Ours was based on the Austin 8

Forgot to say ours was an Austin 7 !!

The engine in my fathers boat was built as a lifeboat marine engine but it was based on the Austin 8 which was a massive 900cc compared to the 7 which was 747cc.

One thing I forgot about our engine was that it always stalled in reverse and on reading the manual it would appear that you had to engage reverse whilst at the same time opening the throttle. Just took 50 odd years to find out what we were doing wrong.
 

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Having struggled getting unstartable life boat engines started in cold Glasgow docks had been been wiped from my nightmares so thank you for the memory recall!
 

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My father was concerned with the development of the release system for the Airborne Lifeboat during WWII. Quite a nice craft, sailed quite well, but had a Ford V8 engine as well.

In one of the early tests (at Queen Mary's Reservoir, near Staines) the parachute failed to open properly, and the lifeboat hit the water bow-first, submerged and stayed down. The services of the RN diving school at QMR were called upon, but a week's search produced no lifeboat.

A few days later Dad was sitting beside the commandant of the school at a dinner, and mentioned the failure to him. He exploded: "That's ridiculous! Come back tomorrow, we'll have it up for you."

Dad went back tomorrow, and they had the lifeboat up within three hours. But it came up without its Ford V8 engine.

Really good article about the Flying life boats designed by Uffa Fox in Classic Boat magazine. I will e-mail you a copy of the article if you want to have a look.
Steve
 
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