Approx 30 foot walkaround - what would you buy

[stuartwineberg]

Some of you may have been following my wanderings around a possibility of downsizing. My spec thanks to the feedback has narrowed to a 30 footish, shaft drive, single engined vessel capable of cruising around 20 kn and returning significantly over 2mpg.

What does the assembled wisdom suggest - before I add my tuppence?

 

[DAVIDO]

There is an Aquador near us and its a cracking looking piece of kit.

http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/2007/Aquador-28-C-2413199/United-Kingdom

No connection etc just always admired it.

 

[baldyash]

Beneteau Antares 30 ---Single,Shaft drive Cruises at 20k. One can walk around & its got a fly bridge & excellent reviews, But I'm bias!!!!!!

 

[stelican]

Some of you may have been following my wanderings around a possibility of downsizing. My spec thanks to the feedback has narrowed to a 30 footish, shaft drive, single engined vessel capable of cruising around 20 kn and returning significantly over 2mpg.

What does the assembled wisdom suggest - before I add my tuppence?

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[Whitelighter]

Do you want significantly over 2Mpg at 20knts, or just the ability to do either?

If its both then i think you will struggle - the is not much (anything?) that will acheive much more than 2-2.5mpg at a maintained 20 knts

The Greenline 33 would be a good option, lovely WA decks, single shaft engine and hybrid if you want to pay for it. Biggest engine will max out at 16 knots but will return around 6-7mpg at a decent displacement speed of around 7knts. At 16 knts I suspect 2.5mpg will be your best. Fast cruise is probably 12-13knts.

Other than that, how about a Nimbus Nova 35 - there are a few single engine ones but not many.

 

[stuartwineberg]

Good thoughts

Do you want significantly over 2Mpg at 20knts, or just the ability to do either?

If its both then i think you will struggle - the is not much (anything?) that will acheive much more than 2-2.5mpg at a maintained 20 knts

The Greenline 33 would be a good option, lovely WA decks, single shaft engine and hybrid if you want to pay for it. Biggest engine will max out at 16 knots but will return around 6-7mpg at a decent displacement speed of around 7knts. At 16 knts I suspect 2.5mpg will be your best. Fast cruise is probably 12-13knts.

Other than that, how about a Nimbus Nova 35 - there are a few single engine ones but not many.

Believe me - 2-2.5 would be a delight compared to what I get at the moment. Yes - I like the Greenline a lot - wandered around one at the PSB show and there is one in Haslar - really excellent layout inside - rather narrow walkaround deck - I had to turn sideways and I tower over everyone at 5 foot 2. Lots of people including SWMBO doesnt like the look. I still want to hear from someone who has taken one out in a big head sea - it has a vast chine on it that must slam like mad

 

[jfm]

FWIW the greenline 33 has been a sales hit. Over 200 sold. So will be easy to sell on becuase there is a deep market in them. I too struggle with the looks - I don't hate them but neither do I love them

TBH i do not get the logic of WA in this size boat (unless it's a dayboat where accom doesn't matter). Two side decks eats loads of internal space. You don't need WA on a 60-er flydrige, so I don't get why anyone wants WA on 30er. At least, I don't get why WA is considered so valauble that it is worth sacrificing huge internal space for. Except on a day boat as I say

 

[Whitelighter]

Swift Trawler

How about a Beneteau Swift Trawler 34 then - ok, a bit bigger than you wanted but a proper little ship.

Asemetric side decks, so one is properly accesible with a little door to get out while the other...well, its still only 35 feet long, even the french arent miracle workers.

The other boat that might be worth a look is the Jeanneau NC 9 - NC11 was very good and while I havent seen the NC9 in the flesh it looks the business. Single D4-260 should be super efficient and again the adopt the asemetric deck principle so you get lots of room on one side, which is good enough for going forward etc.

Only problem with the Jeanneau is it an outdrive, but if you really want efficiency thats the way forward im afraid. Should probably see north of 3mpg with that engine at a decent cruise.

even has the big windows your mrs likes....

more details here: Jeanneau NC9

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

I dont know why you are limiting yourself to shaftdrive because most boats around this length will be sterndrive and sterndrive will give you better economy anyway. If you are set on walk round decks, most of the Scandinavian builders offer models which may be of interest eg

http://www.targa.fi/Boats/27_1
http://www.minoroffshore.fi/minor-offshore-28.html
http://www.nordstar.no/

These boats, especially the Botnia Targas, will give you the same kind of rufty tufty seaworthiness and build quality that you are used to with your Hardy. At a cheaper level. the Karnics have built a good reputation and most of their models have WA decks

http://www.karnicboats.com/index.php?pageid=65

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

FWIW the greenline 33 has been a sales hit. Over 200 sold

Is that right? I'm amazed because I can't see the logic of hybrid power for a sea going boat. Where have they all gone?

TBH i do not get the logic of WA in this size boat (unless it's a dayboat where accom doesn't matter). Two side decks eats loads of internal space. You don't need WA on a 60-er flydrige, so I don't get why anyone wants WA on 30er. At least, I don't get why WA is considered so valauble that it is worth sacrificing huge internal space for. Except on a day boat as I say

The side decks on many 30 footer boats are either non existent or dangerously narrow and if I was getting on a bit (which I am), I'd be thinking about WA decks too just for ease of movement and safety, even if they did compromise the accomodation

 

[jfm]

Is that right? I'm amazed because I can't see the logic of hybrid power for a sea going boat. Where have they all gone?

Yup, I have it on good industry insider knowledge and at SIBS I asked the salesman "what hull number is this?" and it's def 200 sold. All over the world. Several in Cote D'Azur for starters

The side decks on many 30 footer boats are either non existent or dangerously narrow and if I was getting on a bit (which I am), I'd be thinking about WA decks too just for ease of movement and safety, even if they did compromise the accomodation

Fair enough!

 

[Firefly625]

I too like WA decks... I think its a Hardy Owners thing... the OP currently has my boating nirvana, but a Corvette 320 would suffice, but not much point changing to one of those from what you have... good side decks though!!

Again others have mentioned Aquador 28c, or 32c's Botinia Targa's good, but limited accommodation.. but these all outdrive boats and TBH I feel the draw to shaft drive is strong... as it is with me..

I've always like these... a bit left of field, but its ticks most of your boxes!

http://www.jamesdickensmarine.com/Brokerage/Powerboats/Reah850.htm

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Yup, I have it on good industry insider knowledge and at SIBS I asked the salesman "what hull number is this?" and it's def 200 sold. All over the world. Several in Cote D'Azur for starters

If thats the case and they really have sold 200 units, then all of the mainstream builders have missed a trick. If an unknown brand can sell 200 units from a standing start in, I dunno, 2 years, then surely an established brand could have sold far more. Maybe there's something in this hybrid stuff after all but I'm buggered if I can see it

 

[longjohnsilver]

I too like WA decks... I think its a Hardy Owners thing... the OP currently has my boating nirvana, but a Corvette 320 would suffice, but not much point changing to one of those from what you have... good side decks though!!

Again others have mentioned Aquador 28c, or 32c's Botinia Targa's good, but limited accommodation.. but these all outdrive boats and TBH I feel the drawn to shaft drive is strong... as it is with me..

I've always like these... a bit left of field, but its ticks most of your boxes!

http://www.jamesdickensmarine.com/Brokerage/Powerboats/Reah850.htm

Lots of Reahs on the W coast of France. I too think they look good and if downsizing would certainly look at them.

 

[jfm]

If thats the case and they really have sold 200 units, then all of the mainstream builders have missed a trick. If an unknown brand can sell 200 units from a standing start in, I dunno, 2 years, then surely an established brand could have sold far more. Maybe there's something in this hybrid stuff after all but I'm buggered if I can see it

Yup, agree all that. I suppose it wasn't quite a standing start in that the builder/factory was established, but it was standing start on brand for sure. But yes, I agree your comment and last sentence

AFAIK virtually no-one has ordered the small engine option. I duno the orders split between hybrid/non hybrid

 

[jimg]

How about a Nimbus Nova 27?

 

[Red]

From the list of boat suggested the imagination seems a touch jaded. I would go for a proper boat every time. Why anyone would want to downsize to some of the boats mentioned can only mean that you have bought boats that you no longer want and no one else wants to buy, or you are a dealer. Take a look at the Vigilante 33, from Lyme Bay Boats, for example, 33ft long and a real boat, go for the single Caterpillar 3126, at 420 hp not only will it be economical on fuel it will be reliable and get you most way round the globe before it needs work. Cockwells in Falmouth make a beautiful 27ft vessel, there are some wonderful boats out there, you just have to look a bit further.............

 

[gjgm]

TBH i do not get the logic of WA in this size boat (unless it's a dayboat where accom doesn't matter). Two side decks eats loads of internal space. You don't need WA on a 60-er flydrige, so I don't get why anyone wants WA on 30er. At least, I don't get why WA is considered so valauble that it is worth sacrificing huge internal space for. Except on a day boat as I say

Safety, I think. Toddlers, less than agile folk, nervous folk etc. Then it makes alot of sense. And accomodation on a 30ft is limited to start with, so not much loss if gets even more so ! Off to the hotel and roof terrace instead .

I am not yet in any of those groups, but I really like the concept. The Novas I have always liked but
1.crikey they are expensive and
2. they dont sell well here -but they do in Scandinavia- so its hard to find one.
Still OP only wanted a meagre performance so probably not one of those either.

 

[jimg]

Safety, I think. Toddlers, less than agile folk, nervous folk etc. Then it makes alot of sense. And accomodation on a 30ft is limited to start with, so not much loss if gets even more so ! Off to the hotel and roof terrace instead .

I am not yet in any of those groups, but I really like the concept. The Novas I have always liked but
1.crikey they are expensive and
2. they dont sell well here -but they do in Scandinavia- so its hard to find one.
Still OP only wanted a meagre performance so probably not one of those either.

They are expensive and the one I had a while ago went back to Sweden without being seen by the buyer before purchase!!

 

[whisper]

Safety, I think. Toddlers, less than agile folk, nervous folk etc. Then it makes alot of sense. And accomodation on a 30ft is limited to start with, so not much loss if gets even more so ! Off to the hotel and roof terrace instead .

I am not yet in any of those groups, but I really like the concept. The Novas I have always liked but
1.crikey they are expensive and
2. they dont sell well here -but they do in Scandinavia- so its hard to find one.
Still OP only wanted a meagre performance so probably not one of those either.

Another advantage is that they are easy to move around when single handed - like what I am often!!