Anyone got Oct 2002 YM (A-Z of boats) to hand..?

[kilkerr1]

I'm just looking for the write up on the Kingfisher 30 in the A-Z of second hand boats.

Cheers ears.





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[jamesjermain]

From my computer:

Kingfishers
The sailing boom of the sixties gave rise to many British builders of solid, safe and dependable cruisers, which flourished at a time when British boatbuilding was among the most productive in the world. The three-boat Kingfisher range had spacious, solidly built interiors in massively laid-up hulls. Extensive use was made of internal mouldings, including bulkheads, and woodwork was minimal. The rigs tended to be conservative and bilge keels were standard so performance was not sparkling. All had a distinctive reverse sheer and low hulls with high superstructure. Many, particularly the 20 and 26, were junk-rigged. All were designed by RAG Nierop and built by his company, Westfield Engineering which was founded in 1958 and survived until the 1979. The marque died out shortly after Nierop retired. Beware the moulded bilge keels, which contained fuel tanks. Abrasion lead to holes which are expensive to repair. Late models had cast iron or mild steel keels

Kingfisher 30
The largest of the trio, the Kingfisher 30 was introduced in 1964 and had a centre cockpit. One of them was sailed to South Africa by Chay Blyth and several made Atlantic crossings. With the original rig, she was quite pedestrian but a 30s was soon brought out which had more sail area and additional, lead ballast. She was reported to be hard mouthed, even when reefed comparatively early. With her stepped coachroof, the accommodation felt spacious and contained six berths in the three cabins. The interior was very ‘plastic’ buy easy to maintain and clean. Many will have been customised to make them more ‘homely’. Around 60 were built in total.
LOA 30ft (9.14m), LWL 25ft (7.62m), beam 9ft (2.74m), draught 3ft 9in (1.14m), displacement 9,880 lb (4,491kg). Price guide: £10,000 to £16,000. YM report May 1974.


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[BlueSkyNick]

What does 'hard mouthed' mean in yachtie terms, James? Not that I am interested in a Kingfisher, just want to learn more about the jargon!

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[kilkerr1]

Brilliant, thanks for that - from the man himself!

You say "Beware the moulded bilge keels, which contained fuel tanks" - is this a major no-no? It's just that we're having a look at a 1967 K30 on Sunday with fuel tank in keel. I'd also like to know what 'hard-mouthed' means - do you mean this in a horse-type way, i.e. they take a lot of persuasion to do anything? Basically, they're tough as old offshore boots, and that's why I love them.

I'm particularly miserable at the moment 'cos someone snapped up a K30S (looking like it had just popped out of the mould) from Brighton Marina last week, and it was destined to be mine, mine I tell you!!!

Sorry. Disappointment can do that to a girl.

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[tome]

There's a 72 Kingfisher 30 for sale <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/F15095/>here</A>. Might be worth a look. Why so keen on a Kingfisher???

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[kilkerr1]

We have an ickle one already. They're "built like battleships", as one owner has said, extremely tough, and I like the freedom of being able to go pretty much anywhere with bilge keels. Basically, I'm more interested in a boat that I can feel really safe on absolutely anywhere than one which will beat all the other boats round the cans. Though if I could find a cheap one to fulfil both criteria I wouldn't say no...Oh yes, Kingfishers do tend to be pretty cheapish, even the K30S, which, as James said, was used by Chay Blythe for a circumnav. You can't argue with Sir Chay. Well, I guess you could...

Having said all this my ideal boat I think woud be the Golden Hind 31, for pretty much the same reasons. Oh, then there's the Rival 32, Vancouver 32, Nich 32 (I'm a fan of the 'plastic classics')...I could go on. But these are all a tad harder on the purse - with reason maybe. So we couldn't afford 'em. Not that we can afford the K30...ho hum... /forums/images/icons/smile.gif


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[tome]

Fair enough, those are sound reasons and a good experience with one boat does tend to give you 'brand loyalty'. Agree that K's seem to be good value. Like you, I'm a fan of the PCs.

As for affording it, can any of us really? We must all be barking mad, but it's fun!

Happy hunting
Tom

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[penfold]

<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.kyoa.co.uk/>Here's</A> the Kingfisher owner's Assoc.

cheers,
david

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[jamesjermain]

Hard mouths and bilge keels

Moulded keels are not a complete no-no but they need to be checked carefully for the reasons I said - regular grounding can wear away the GRP and rupture the tank - bad for polution, bad for the boat.

A keel with a certain amount of wear can be rebuilt using glass tape and resin. A keel with no damage can be protected by adding a wooden sacrificial 'shoe' using epoxy paste or glass tape and resin.

Whta I mean by hard mouthed is the condition of a boat, beating to windward, which, while reasonably well balanced and straight running, takes a lot of effort on the helm to change course a few degrees. It is usually a feature of big, unbalanced rudders or ones which are broad for their depth. It can also apply to a yacht which, while usually well balanced and light on the helm, developes a kick back through the tiller when driving through larger waves. This often afflicts light, shallow bodied boats with a deep, narrow keel and transom-hung rudder, which can get knocked about a bit.

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[tome]

Re: Hard mouths and bilge keels

Interesting - I was also wondering what you meant by 'hard-mouthed' and having experienced this on a boat it's a good description.

I was looking at the Kingfisher web site which interviewed Mr RAG Nierop, an aircaft engineer who designed the range. Asked if he produced boats with other than bilge keels, Mr Nierop replied: ‘We make twin-keelers, not bilge keelers. The boats are designed as twin-keel boats...'

Elaborating on the construction of the keels, Mr Nierop explained these were quarter-inch steel plate fabrications with the lead run into them. This only takes up a depth of four inches at the bottom enabling the rest to be used as a fuel tank. These are bolted to the hull with half-inch stainless steel bolts every six inches on each flange – about thirty in all.

‘Boats have been dropped off trailers, run onto the rocks and yet we’ve never had a keel move,’ said Mr Nierop.

I should think in this context that a leaking keel would be fairly unusual?


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[TFJ]

I think this is the one a pals just bought in Brighton and they have asked me to bring her back to the east coast, I will let you know if it was a good buy or not
Terry

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[kilkerr1]

Aha, is she called Romaphin? Hope your mates have much joy of her (see I can be gracious in defeat...).

We're coming round from the East coast to Brighton, will give you a cheery wave if we see you enroute..!



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[TFJ]

Thats the one, she going round to Fosdyke in the Wash, I think they like cockling or shrimping

Possibly see you on route

Terry

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[jeffro]

Re: Hard mouths and bilge keels

sailed a kingfisher last 2 years across the channel hard as nails!always wanted to nowhat hard mouthed meant no one in my club new .Only a cheap boat if you can find one.Clever people keep them .

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[jeffro]

Re: Hard mouths and bilge keels

if your lucky enough to find one you wont be dissapointed only when you want to stop then just close your eyes and send the wife forArd with a big fender Neeever get in the way of a kingfisher 30 they are built like battleships Never meant to go astern

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[kilkerr1]

Re: Hard mouths and bilge keels

Well I fully intend to be a clever person too by finding one, buying it and then keeping it!

And who wants to go backwards anyway...

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