Any questions for the RYA about red diesel?
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BlueSkyNick
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You just dont get it do you.
The vast majority of boaters do NOT want to pay any more for fuel than they really need to. If they stay in the UK all the time, there is nothing to gain by paying any extra.
Those who want to go for full duty white are in the minority.
The vast majority of boaters do NOT want to pay any more for fuel than they really need to. If they stay in the UK all the time, there is nothing to gain by paying any extra.
Those who want to go for full duty white are in the minority.
st599
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It's obvious we need to dump red immediately. What are they doing to force the sale of white?
Gwylan
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Is red cheaper than white?
Don't get it.
As far as I can see the red diesel we buy seems to end up very near the price of diesel at the pumps on the forecourt.
So there is little of any price advantage for leisure boaters.
Don't get it.
As far as I can see the red diesel we buy seems to end up very near the price of diesel at the pumps on the forecourt.
So there is little of any price advantage for leisure boaters.
Otter
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You're welcome to keep your white diesel in Belgium, I'll keep the £400 a year red diesel saves us. I deeply resent paying road users tax for a yacht that travels on water. I like visiting Belgium but we'll give it a miss this year and explore some of the UK we have neglected - using that £400 to swell the cruising fund.
Elemental
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So, where do you get that information from then? I've not yet managed to find any figures that indicate that sailors who travel abroad are in the minority. Our own unscientific poll of 164 voters would indicate the opposite.
I have fired a raft of questions asking the RYA to campaign for a switch to white (as Guapa). I've also written to my MP, Chloe Smith and the LSC along the same lines.
Cardo
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Whilst I intend to be sailing out of the country and therefore will be inconvenienced by this red diesel disaster, I do think that MoodyNick above is correct. I'd imagine most boaters won't be leaving UK waters and therefore have no issues with red diesel.
What would be nice is if we had a choice on what colour to fill up with. But as has already been discussed, that's unlikely to happen.
What would be nice is if we had a choice on what colour to fill up with. But as has already been discussed, that's unlikely to happen.
Elemental
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Red diesel saves you £400 on your heating/charging? You jest surely...
GlennG
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I would like to see the whole red diesel thing sorted out once and for all. I'm happy to pay more as per the spirit of the rules, i.e. no subsidy for leisure boaters.
I think you'll find there's plenty of people who think that way.
The days of cheap red diesel are finished. Get over it.
maxi77
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If red does become a real no no in France one can expect the resale value of boats with red in their tanks will fall as they will need purged before going foreign. I know some places sell red at reasonable prices but many do not and are already charging more at the approved split than the local garages. Here in Portugal my local marina charges the same for diesel as most garages, not some inflated price because it is for boats.
We should be expending our energy on getting fair pricing rather than a losing rearguard action to keep red.
We should be expending our energy on getting fair pricing rather than a losing rearguard action to keep red.
Stork_III
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At the current rebated rate £400 equates to about 1300 litres of diesel for heating /charging, on a Colvic Watson 34? Someone is taking the P
AliM
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I'm with Guapa on this one.
While I am also sure that no boater wants to pay more for their diesel, the fact remains that the 40:60 split is quite ridiculous (except for winter liveaboards, possibly) and I am not in the least surprised that some of our European neighbours have lost patience with the whole issue.
If France joins Belgium in fining for red diesel, bought legitimately in the UK, then perhaps the RYA will take a bit more notice.
I have to (smugly - sorry) declare that I am not affected - our boat has never had red diesel in its tanks - we carry cans from the road filling station, which turns out to be only a bit more expensive and not a lot more hassle. In fact, in Germany, it proved to be a lot cheaper to do the same in some places where their marina diesel is quite overpriced compared to the filling station 10 mins walk away!
While I am also sure that no boater wants to pay more for their diesel, the fact remains that the 40:60 split is quite ridiculous (except for winter liveaboards, possibly) and I am not in the least surprised that some of our European neighbours have lost patience with the whole issue.
If France joins Belgium in fining for red diesel, bought legitimately in the UK, then perhaps the RYA will take a bit more notice.
I have to (smugly - sorry) declare that I am not affected - our boat has never had red diesel in its tanks - we carry cans from the road filling station, which turns out to be only a bit more expensive and not a lot more hassle. In fact, in Germany, it proved to be a lot cheaper to do the same in some places where their marina diesel is quite overpriced compared to the filling station 10 mins walk away!
Bosun Higgs
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For every person who takes your line, there are 3 or 4 who never go abroad and dont want to pay 40p / litre more. And judging from the response that I and others have had from the government, they dont want to introduce white diesel compulsorily.
I quote from a reply I received from the minister " I am afraid your suggestion of switching all marine diesel to white and requiring the majority of users to claim a rebate is not an option. This is based on the outcome that most boat owners and fuel suppliers wish to avoid. It would create additional administrative burdens for the commercial boating sector and very large costs for marine fuel suppliers (most of which are small businesses) as well as increased costs for HMRC. And it would benefit only a minority of boat users."
And why write to the RYA - you are taking out your frustration on the people who arent responsible for the current mess. Write to your MP. And better still to your euro MP.
Blueboatman
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Worst case scenario to me: road pricing, summer/winter fluctuations in wax additives/bio unknown percentage/ unknown anti bug additives in unknown percentages....Belgians dancing on uk , Europe encouraged to push for reducing further Uk boating anomalies
Elemental
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I am a member of the RYA. They RYA claim their lobbying is a success - I disagree. They haven't even asked me what solution I would prefer them to lobby for. I think the current 60/40 is a mess and will lead to more uncertainty now and in the future. I want them to represent my views to the gov't and HMRC. That's why I have written to them.
maby
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maby
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+1
The RYA should immediately campaign for the removal of 60/40 with all fuel sold to private boat owners fully taxed. This might give us sufficient justification to go back to the commission asking for permission to continue to make red diesel available to us and avoid the issues that would undoubtedly arise from being forced to switch to white.
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If we dye ours orange from now on - what will that do ?
maby
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nothing
Ex-SolentBoy
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At Yarmouth the fuel price is £1.40 per litre fully taxed.
For heating you pay £0.908 per litre.
So, the saving is about 50p per litre.
480 litre tank capacity
Assume 60% heating (we have a big generator)
Saving is £144 every time we fill the tank.