any policemen or lawyers here? the crooks are still at it in the UK

ongolo

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Hi all,

A certain gentlemen, who advertises and never produces, had received money. Because he did not deliver, the client claimed via visa card and got his money back and thought matter is settled.

Now, 3 months later, at the time the crook assumes the bank might not be bothered to check all details, he now is trying to get hold of the money again. He says they have cancelled the order and he wants the money. He denies also that he ever had the money, so how can he be in possession of the card number?

In my opinion, this takes a criminal turn, I would demand that he makes his statements under oath, and if nothing else, if proven wrong is up for perjury.

So I think this crook, is simply hoping that somebody in the boating world has so much money, that they say in the end, bugger this, I am not going to waste my time anymore.

At the time, some people here, made interesting discoveries, like using non-existant addresses and different companies all with same IP adrress.

I would be glad for any info posted by pm to me. Amazing how conmen just by bluffing can intimidate others, including PBO/YM. I wish the a....le would be here.

Help to stop the crooks.

Thanks Ongolo
 

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Re: any policemen or lawyers here? the crooks are still at it in the U

Unfortunatly today unless the theiftis large the powers that be dont do a thing.

In France the office resposiable will only "look" at theift in case of more than 5000 Euros. It is or was very normal for online traders (in France) to deliver as little as 30% of orders with a value of lest than 50 Euros!

For an ordinary customer to "try" to get his money back takes a lot of time effort and costs 150 Euros.

As for the credit card payment you can stop it if you have good reason. and prevent the same person debiting the account again. Your bank will charge you for doing that!

The other problem is that its a civil problem, unless you can prove the company took or tried to take money with no intention providing the goods /service.
 

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Clarification - and our reasoning for caution

Need to be absolutely clear here - if the 'client' (third party or you) believes this matter should be resolved by a court then that is where it should go, not here. Any 'case' cannot properly be judged in an unmoderated forum and the only party likely to get sued is the host - by either party, ironically.

Your statement infers that we have not taken an interest in the product against which you most recently appear to have had a complaint - that is also not the case, there is activity going on between magazine teams at the moment to establish exactly what we know about the product. I cannot pre-empt anything at this stage but you will read the results in due course.

The posts that most recently referred to this subject on these forums were subject to legal complaint; they were removed because the company concerned disputed some of the facts as presented and we were not in a position to make a call on their veracity, one way or the other.

In terms of the security of the 'client' money, our experience is that the onus is very much on the supplier to prove that goods were supplied in the case of credit card transactions - and that would usually require something tangible such as a signed goods receipt.

If the 'client' believes that someone is trying to use a stored credit card number fraudulently then that is good grounds alone for asking the credit card company to take action. Indeed simply storing credit card numbers when there is no need to do so can lose the company its credit card facility.
 

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Re: Clarification - and our reasoning for caution

I think we are all really looking forward to some good investigative journalism from IPC here, Kim . . .

- Nick
 
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