Any experience on nano coatings (such as Ceramic Pro)?

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With the development of nano technology, I’ve been expecting that one day there will be some new age product that would replace the good old carnauba wax. Good as it is, it just doesn’t seem to last the whole summer; the shine gradually fades and the black streaks seem to become harder and harder to remove.

There are many ‘nano’ products out there which make bold claims of a very hydrophobic and long lasting finishes.

From my layman’s perspective, the existence of a technology that produces a highly durable coating sounds plausible, but does anybody have actual experience of these products either in automotive or marine use?

I feel tempted to give this a go -> http://ceramicpro.com
 
Yep Dulon 1+2 ---- google it .
Lasts all season best stuff IMHO out there ,Professionals use it .
You get the water on wax bead effect all season .
Other stuff just fades after a few months ,this lasts .

Wash the hull 1st
Apply 1 with a cloth by hand . Wait to dry white haze few mins .
Apply 2 over the top of 1 . Wait a bit for that to dry and alledgedly bond to 1 .
Polish off -it can set quite tough so mech polisher with lambs wool buffs best .

Need arms like a gorilla ,or it will feel like it when done .
It takes two blokes 1 day ( a side each + moving scaffolding ) to do a 14 M Itama .

But worth the effort .

It's the only polish that Arie d boom sell in there on site yard shop in SoF ,and they polish 100's of boats for clients .
 
scubaman said:
With the development of nano technology, I’ve been expecting that one day there will be some new age product that would replace the good old carnauba wax. Good as it is, it just doesn’t seem to last the whole summer; the shine gradually fades and the black streaks seem to become harder and harder to remove.

There are many ‘nano’ products out there which make bold claims of a very hydrophobic and long lasting finishes.

From my layman’s perspective, the existence of a technology that produces a highly durable coating sounds plausible, but does anybody have actual experience of these products either in automotive or marine use?

I feel tempted to give this a go -> http://ceramicpro.com
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There is a product that's always advertised on the motor home and caravan channel and I always said on my next new boat I would do it. But when I enquired it turns out you have to use their team of people, not a DIY job. And of course there's nobody that can do it in France same as copper coat my two big regrets, with it I'm sure my ten month old boat would look ten months younger
 
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Stern 1/3 rd has 1+2 applied and set - waiting final polish
Rest finished
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Finished Stb side ( my mates work
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Finished port side my work
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scubaman said:
Thanks!

Portofino, your reference to Dulon also helped me find this thread from PBO. It's MarineReflections thread on which he tested several products for a year.

http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?443397-Protection-product-test

I haven't trawled the whole thread yet but the final trio can be found on the last page.
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just skimmed it classic in vitro vs in vivo experiment .
Was it 1+2 or just plain Dulon ?
No harsh sea water wash or battering ,simulating going out and questionable rince in boat wash products and no natural rain wash .We get red rain with Sahara abrasive particles ready mixed now and again .
Uv was uk -that fine for uk folks .
Med UV on blue hulls is erm ------ . Lets say harsh !
The Med is saltier too than the N sea or Channel as well .

If it seems to work in the UK ,then cos conditions are diff in the Med it does not follow it will there .

Ans ---Watch the locals.
Mkt is flooded with products v confusing sure and these guys ( yard ) I think know what works in SoF.
 
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That looks very impressive indeed. I take it that the surface was cut back slightly before applying? Did you do the superstructure as well?
 
scubaman said:
That looks very impressive indeed. I take it that the surface was cut back slightly before applying? Did you do the superstructure as well?
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There is /was heavely oxidised areas -rear port 1/4 -a function of its mooring position and morning sun on that section .
This was buffed with a sponge and something ? - can,t remember ? It was mild and took a few attempts -it could have just been loads of "1" pressing hard before it dried , or some spare old 3M product ?

Top sides -what top sides it's a v simple boat - we use a stainless steel metal polish on widow frame sorry can,t remember it - comes in a tooth paste like tube -" - Peek " from memory .

There is not much ,the white gel above the rubbing strip is Dulon 1+2 , that's about it really .
Inside the cockpit -normal one piece boat polish -this is white and does not get a battering from sea spray .

It's at the end of season say Oct when you wash down after an outing ,inevitably when hanging a spraying fresh water hose over the sides to do my hull the neighbours boat gets sprayed .
That's when you notice .

There's steaks ,on theres - mine still forms beads .
 
scubaman said:
Thanks!

Portofino, your reference to Dulon also helped me find this thread from PBO. It's MarineReflections thread on which he tested several products for a year.

http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?443397-Protection-product-test

I haven't trawled the whole thread yet but the final trio can be found on the last page.
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It's worth every boat owner reading the thread you linked to.
Not least because this question is asked regularly, unsurprisingly. It's something we all want to know.
As far as I'm concerned it's a definitive, unbiased test, and directly pits all the leading products that boat owners on this forum recommended against each other.

So regardless of uk / med differences, the best product in this test will apply wherever.

If you disagree, carry out your own test and post it here...
 
Trundlebug said:
So regardless of uk / med differences, the best product in this test will apply wherever.

If you disagree, carry out your own test and post it here...
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Don,t need to that test only applies to
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I've just ordered 25KG of 65PA gel coat, it should be enough "

So if you gel coat is not 65 PA --- how useful is that one study now ?

As I said "In vitro " for those that don,t know that's Latin for glass , ie in a test tube or equivalent meaning here not real life ,or life like ,

That's why "tests " results are often are million miles away realality .

So on your logic Trundlebug according to Edwina Currie you stopped eating Eggs ,
Yep 65 % of a large sample had evidence of salmonella ,but nobody ever was admitted to hospital with Salmonella - cos in "vivo " real life the dose is so small -sub clinical and is destroyed in prep /cooking .
But even raw - not enough -
Look around 1,000 of eggs consumed /hour --- no problems .-so you don,t need to keep testing eggs they are safe and Allways were .
How ever 1 study - Edwina quoted and she lost her Job .

Needs to be double blind - this means the person doing the "measuring " does not know, what or why .
And person doing the application does not know what (substance ) or why .,they just follow instruction .

You can,t really have the applicator and the measurer " scoring " the same person to hold up in any credible scientific publication ..


What was temperature , was the "study "done ambient air and panals -- that's a variable -- .

Our Dulon goes on ,air 20 oC + boat prob hotter , Not a cold damp wet murky Uk yard .

So Nope I don,t feel the need to design /conduct a study --- Too many variables ,and I,am not a fan of in vitro .
For me it will need to be real life ( in vivo ) and large enough and be able be replicated worldwide .
 
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