Antifoul & engine survey question

[ianainge]

Had a quote to antifoul 31ft boat £276.00 inc vat is this good ? (straight forward antifoul no stripping of original ).what sort of engine survey should i have on twin diesels (volvo) i.e should it include oil analysis and compression test ?

 

[hlb]

Well, its good if you cant get a better quote or dont want to do it yourself. Sounds dear, but on the other hand can you find some one else.

Never heard of an engine survey that was worth much.
No one will give you a garantee that the engines fine and wont break. Better with a good mechanic and take the boat for a spin with him. Check for smoke, strange noises etc.

Haydn

 

[peterg]

That sounds a bit high

I think we paid a Hamble Yacht Care around £150 for anti-fouling our Nimbus 31 last Febuary (again no stripping etc exactly as yours - but I had no time to do it) but my memory could be playing tricks - whatever, your quote still seems expensive to me.

Some people used to use the guys in the Harbour Office (about the same cost as above) but MDL put a stop to it as another marina had problems with this.

Type of survey rather depends on what you want to check for..and how much you want to spend...if the engines have been regularly serviced then a compression check and run up should prove they're OK.

 

[BarryD]

Sounds good to me. If you assume that the paint is going to cost between £50 and £100 and there is a boat lift invovled (unlkess it's on the hard) then I'd go for it.

No idea about the engine survey.

Barry D

 

[jfm]

IMHO the oil analysis is well worth doing, assuming the oil that's in there isn't new and has been in for the season. If it helps I cd fax you (or pdf email you) the report ywe got back form the labs, so you can see what sort of info you get. The report I have refers to a pair of 2 yr old volvos with 200hrs, so that should serve as a reference for what a "good" pair of engines should read.

The antifoul price seems cheap. We must be getting ripped to shreds, we paid 833 and 852 for the last two antifouls, on a 42 foot boat using white Interspeed. Eek!

 

[ianainge]

Thanks jfm see your PM for fax no.

 

[peterg]

Ah yes, knew I forgot something...

I gave them a 5 ltr tin of anti-foul (£55 via a contact) to do the job - 1 coat as it had been done prior to launch the previous June anyway so this was a top-up - told you me memory isn't what it was but then what is?.

 

[tcm]

Re: st trop or another? nm

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[jfm]

Re: faxing oil analysis

OK, will fax it. Boatone also. It's at home, i wont get to it till late tonite, so I'll fax it to you from home. If you want to give me your home fax number (not sure if the number you gave me is home or office?) then do, else you wont gettit till Monday!

 

[Guest]

I'm a complete novice and I did my 20 footer last October. I had to buy everything from scratch and did a really thorough job (took old stuff right back almost to gelcoat).

Applied primer and 2 coats of antifoul and rubbed/polished topsides.

Costs:
Rollers, brushes etc (B&Q) 33.45
Blakes Antifouling, primer & filler 67.69
Marina (Survey lift & Power Wash) 101.44
Extra roller 2.99
B&Q bits & bobs 14.94
Rubbing Compound 2.99

Total cost £223.50

Took all weekend and was strangely rather enjoyable!

So £276 sounds like a reasonable deal to me.

 

[longjohnsilver]

't use them myself but have heard good reports of Finnings for oil analysis, tel 0113 238 2289. I think they send you what you need to take the sample and then return it to them for the analysis. From memory £10-15 per engine.

If changing the boat I would certainly use them, could save you a fortune if there's a problem.

 

[ianainge]

Re: st trop or another? nm

Another.the hour recorders were shagged on st trop boat both lcd strangley not showing needs new ones so therefore do idea what hours just the owners word, anyway had a nice day out .this is the original one with iffy backgound.

 

[coliholic]

He slipped that in .....

....when no-one was looking.

So you're back on the old "cut and shut" one in Mallorca that you wouldn't tell us where it was or what it was called then?

If I remember rightly this was the one that had no service history and so put you off. And dodgy VIN numbers oops sorry HIN numbers that didn't match, which put you off. And a dodgy seller, that put you off. And leaked water in places where it should'nt, that put you off. And was too cheap really, so must be a "wrong 'un", so that put you off. And he wouldn't negotiate any further down on the price, so that put you off. And then it was sold anyway, so that really pissed you off, that someone else thought it might be a bargain, and you'd missed it.

So now that deal's fallen through and it's back on the market, you're back dead keem to buy it eh?

erm, well without wishing to cause offence, does the term MUG mean anything to you?
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So

 

[longjohnsilver]

Mistaken Identity?

Colin, suspect you've got the wrong chap. Prepare to eat humble haggis.

 

[jfm]

No colin, wrong guy, wrong boat

You're thinking of RichardC and phantom42, who's gone quiet BTW. Massive humble pie feast for you mate. Let's hope you get that book soon and MUG up on it, so no more screw ups ;-)

 

[coliholic]

Re: No colin, wrong guy, wrong boat

Ah well in that case million apologies for taking the p**s.

Consider me a Scot and hence fit for burning tonight. Sorry Ian, it's obviously an excellent choice. Please buy the bloody thing to stop me getting confused again. Maybe should keep my comments to things like An Odes.



Humble pie, grovel grovel, dunce's hat etc

 

[boatmad2]

REF ENGINE SURVEY.WE USE VOLVO ENGINES IN OUR LARGE CONTAINER LIFTERS
AT WORK ie TD100G THEY GET FLOGGED TO DEATH EVERY DAY WE GET ABOUT 6 OR 7 THOUSAND HOURS OUT OF THEM YES TAKE THE BOAT PUT FOR A TEST RUN WITH A GOOD EXPERIENCED ENGINE ENGINEER IF THEY RUN WELL THEY PROBABLY ARE WELL TAKE OIL SAMPLES AS SOON AS THE ENGINES ARE STOPPED AND GET AN EXPERT TO READ THE REPORT. YES ENGINES IN POOR CONDITION WILL SHOW UP ON SAMPLE REPORT IF YOU KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR.PS OUR LAST PERKINS ENGINE DID 23000 HOURS AND WAS AS GOOD AS NEW WHEN WE SOLD THE MACHINE. I DONT THINK WE USE OUR BOATS ENOUGH.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Since re-antifouling your boat involves lying on your back in icy puddles splattering toxic chemicals into your eyes and IMHO is just about the worst job on a boat apart from unblocking a loo, I would pay a fortune to anyone stupid enough to do it for you. Sounds like a bargain to me
Engine survey by competent person (NOT the hull surveyor) well worth it but should be done when engines under load ie on sea trial. Compression test definitely worth it but. as haydn says, does'nt guarantee engine wont blow up tomorrow but at least you'll know you've done everything you could
Oil analysis more contentious IMHO since it only gives a snapshot of oil condition at that time. Some learned ones say that oil analysis is only worth doing if series of tests carried out over time to ascertain trends

 

[david_e]

Re: st trop or another? nm

I was wondering where you had got to with this boat when reading about the st trop experience. There appears to be a common thread running through the boats you look at and I wonder whether in your anxiety to buy you might be missing it. That is; the cheap boats you mention all seem to have question marks about them in some major area which you are naturally, and quite rightly, cautious about because as you know it will be you selling it again one day and its wise to avoid these issues becoming a problem for you. Additionally I'll bet that if there are question marks over major items liitle things will pile up after you have bought. All this is offset by your desire to try and buy a good boat at a good price and avoid as much depreciation as possible (the motor dealer bit), plus "well bought is half sold" applies to just about anything including boats. With this in mind I would concentrate on finding a straight and honest boat and and bid low but buy whilst accepting it is your hobby. I passed on many a good buy waiting for the bargain before realising that the boat market is like no other and jumped in.