Another yacht blown over at C.B.Y.C.

[tonybarebones]

 

[graham]

What a blinkin shame about both boats after we thought the worst was over. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

 

[sarabande]

Is that a professional cradle, and if so, do you know the maker please ? PM if necessary, please.

(I am about to order a cradle for the m/sailor......)

 

[Csail]

Don't quote me but if it was the yaht nearest the skip it was the yaght leg company or something.... look in pbo. it did look a bit precarious!

 

[Sneds]

Bloody shame, feel for the owners, hope the damage ain't to bad?

 

[NickiCrutchfield]

Ent no cradle. That's a turd heap. And remember; "professional" only means that someone has paid for something. Competent amateurs often prevail where professionals don't.
Nicki

 

[wotayottie]

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And remember; "professional" only means that someone has paid for something.

[/ QUOTE ] True - with "professionals" in everything from garage mechanics to lorry drivers, thats all the word does mean these days

 

[Sneds]

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And remember; "professional" only means that someone has paid for something.

[/ QUOTE ] True - with "professionals" in everything from garage mechanics to lorry drivers, thats all the word does mean these days

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A very sad but very true statement!

 

[mrbloto]

surely the club must have some kind of responsability to the members to make sure that the equipment is up to it. after all they are the"professionals" where are you on this one damo i hope not on the fence

 

[damo]

I don't know what the situation would be in a Club yard, responsibility-wise.

The comments about "professionally-built" stuff may be a bit unjust - we don't know what the cradle was designed for. The one for the Hanse looks a bit flimsy for a fin-keel boat, and there doesn't seem to have been a sleeper along the ladder frame for the keel to sit on (unless it has been removed since) and spread the load. Looks like that's where it buckled.

If you have been on a boat in a cradle, with the mast up, in strong winds, you will know how much it shakes. The surprising thing is how few boats have gone over IMO. The cradles we use are much more substantial than the one in the pic.

Anyway, I have to do some fence-sitting in a public forum, as I hope you will understand /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[johnchampion]

To think that the club should have responsibility is surely ludicrous in the extreme? If the owner doesn't have a clue what he or she is doing then it is still the owners responsibility to find someone who does and act accordingly. It is not unusual for the wind to blow.
If someone else is to blame where does this stop - is it someone elses fault if you sink because the club did not tell you water will come in through a hole in the bottom, or that the tide goes out when you are sitting on top of a rock or perhaps the predicament you find yourself in because you forgot toilet paper when victualling the little ship?

 

[bluedragon]

Agree with you there Damo. There can be a huge amount of vibration as the mast "pumps", and that I think causes bolts to work loose. That's a problem we experienced with a cradle when one pad dropped right down as there was no pin through the extension, just a bolt tightened up against the inner tube (poor design or a cradle made up from bits and pieces, I'm not sure to be honest, but we weren't the only example of this happening).

 

[Longshanks]

It's not ludicrous in the extreme if the club or boatyard has supplied the cradle, and the labour to do the job, and doesn't want owners "improving" on their work. That may or may not not be the case here, but it's not unusual to be in a "rented" boatyard cradle (we are)...and yes, they do have a responsibility that it's fit for purpose in these circumstances.

 

[mrbloto]

if you are paying for a service to somebody who are getting paid . wether it be a marina or a club run on the lines of a marina where money changes hands somebody has to have some responsability to either make sure the equipment is up to a standard which is good enough for any event. unfortunly we live in a claim culture where the insurance pays

 

[damo]

Could I remind people that speculation and finger-pointing without knowing the facts is not very constructive. You don't know if the cradles were home-built, or owners were responsible for chocking and regular inspection, or if the yard is responsible.


Ta /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[wotayottie]

Mind you the highlight today was to watch them drop the mast of one boat through the windscreen of the poor old owners car!

 

[Sneds]

You are joking? Surely?

 

[johnchampion]

Longshanks
Yes if you have paid someone else to do the job and they are the correct / approved or whatever body then I agree that a lot of the responsibility (not all) would seem to lie with them. I was however making the assumption that, by the previous mention of a club, that it is unlikely that the owner would not have been involved with their own boat. If someone else were handling my boat I would expect to take more than a passing interest and unless the responsibility was specifically taken out of my hands, by for instance a yard in their own premises, then surely anything that went pear shaped would be down to me. This is of course not specifically talking about the unlucky and no doubt unhappy people whose boats were featured in this thread to begin with as I have no knowledge of those particular incidents other than that shown here but rather it's a general observation on a prevous comment which seems to suggest that looking for somebody else to blame is the first thing to do.

 

[Csail]

It did happen!!!!

 

[wotayottie]

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You are joking? Surely?

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No - they attempted to remove the mast from the boat before lifting the boat, and they lost control of it. The poor old boat owner had his windscreen smashed.