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Chrusty1
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"You beat me to it.... not as if it was a question about col regs!!!!!!"
Thank heavens for that! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Thank heavens for that! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Anchor alarm
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Robin
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"If I can use 40hp in reverse and it holds I'm quite happy to go to sleep without worry"
Thanks Robin, not only should I do without an anchor alarm, but now I won't be able to sleep until I double the size of my engine.
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We have 44hp on a 41 footer, not huge by modern standards, 20hp would probably be just as effective and especially on a smaller boat. I used it as an illustration meaning that I'd put on 'enough' power to test the anchor was dug in enough for me not to worry.
Not intended as an instruction, criticism or command but a comment. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
"If I can use 40hp in reverse and it holds I'm quite happy to go to sleep without worry"
Thanks Robin, not only should I do without an anchor alarm, but now I won't be able to sleep until I double the size of my engine.
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We have 44hp on a 41 footer, not huge by modern standards, 20hp would probably be just as effective and especially on a smaller boat. I used it as an illustration meaning that I'd put on 'enough' power to test the anchor was dug in enough for me not to worry.
Not intended as an instruction, criticism or command but a comment. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Robin
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Thanks to those who actually answered my question without lecturing me on how to anchor
I just fancy using one for extra peace of mind, will have a look for a garmin 72
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Sorry, I didn't mean to be lecturing anyone at all. We anchor a lot and have done for many years which means we have developed a method which works well for us and which once we have set the anchor we trust enough to go to sleep undisturbed.
In my case (and I accept others will feel differently) if I felt that I needed either a person on anchorwatch or a piece of electronics, then I'm not confident that the anchor is set properly and therefore need to move and re-anchor. We have 3 plotters and GPSs on board all of which have an anchor alarm function but in order for this not to go off periodically as the boat swings the radius would need to be set higher than I would be happy to drag anyway. We could also use the high/low depth alarms on the echosounder but with the same tolerance problem.
Anyway, however you go about it, time at anchor in a beautiful spot beats hell out of expensive berths surrounded by brickwork. Now I'll have upset someone else too. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Thanks to those who actually answered my question without lecturing me on how to anchor
I just fancy using one for extra peace of mind, will have a look for a garmin 72
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Sorry, I didn't mean to be lecturing anyone at all. We anchor a lot and have done for many years which means we have developed a method which works well for us and which once we have set the anchor we trust enough to go to sleep undisturbed.
In my case (and I accept others will feel differently) if I felt that I needed either a person on anchorwatch or a piece of electronics, then I'm not confident that the anchor is set properly and therefore need to move and re-anchor. We have 3 plotters and GPSs on board all of which have an anchor alarm function but in order for this not to go off periodically as the boat swings the radius would need to be set higher than I would be happy to drag anyway. We could also use the high/low depth alarms on the echosounder but with the same tolerance problem.
Anyway, however you go about it, time at anchor in a beautiful spot beats hell out of expensive berths surrounded by brickwork. Now I'll have upset someone else too. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Razorfish
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This sort of thing is becoming increasingly common on the forum - which after all is a forum for seeking advice - somebody asks a question and either get told to 'google' it or a lecture lamenting the good old days of the lead line and cross staff.
I worry that this sort of thing puts people off asking questions, especially beginners who probably need some help and are more likely to be scared to ask.
I worry that this sort of thing puts people off asking questions, especially beginners who probably need some help and are more likely to be scared to ask.
Litotes
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somebody asks a question and either get told to 'google' it or a lecture lamenting the good old days of the lead line and cross staff.
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How about the good, old fashioned anchor alarm?
Place a light metal pan on the edge of a flat surface (no fiddle)
Tie the handle to the leadline and lower the lead over the side, giving enough scope to sit on the bottom throughout the duration of the tide and allow for some movement.
If the boat moves any further than you have allowed for, the pan will be dragged off the surface and wake you up with its joyful clattering. Simple!
That's how we did it in the dear dead days beyond recall, sonny. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
somebody asks a question and either get told to 'google' it or a lecture lamenting the good old days of the lead line and cross staff.
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How about the good, old fashioned anchor alarm?
Place a light metal pan on the edge of a flat surface (no fiddle)
Tie the handle to the leadline and lower the lead over the side, giving enough scope to sit on the bottom throughout the duration of the tide and allow for some movement.
If the boat moves any further than you have allowed for, the pan will be dragged off the surface and wake you up with its joyful clattering. Simple!
That's how we did it in the dear dead days beyond recall, sonny. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Amulet
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Wise mariners use all the tools at their disposal and, if possible, depend on none - including their electronics and their instinct. If you think your instinct is infallable you're sure as hell going to get into trouble. (I have 3 GPS72s! - why is a long story, but I must be counted as at least one vote for them.)
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Chrusty1
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"That's how we did it in the dear dead days beyond recall, sonny. "
Just wasting your time....no buttons to press see.........they got to have their gizmos! I think those that blather on about how all the gizmos make them safer, are missing something. I wouldn't go sailing if there wasn't an element of risk, it would be as boring as hell. Still, that's the way it seems to be for folk these days, risk avoidance everywhere.
To the OP, well yes, two minutes on Google would have found you the answer to your question. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Just wasting your time....no buttons to press see.........they got to have their gizmos! I think those that blather on about how all the gizmos make them safer, are missing something. I wouldn't go sailing if there wasn't an element of risk, it would be as boring as hell. Still, that's the way it seems to be for folk these days, risk avoidance everywhere.
To the OP, well yes, two minutes on Google would have found you the answer to your question. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Chrusty1
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"If you think your instinct is infallable you're sure as hell going to get into trouble."
Depends how good your instincts are don't it, after 46 years of sailing, I would trust my instincts a lot more than I would trust gizmos, not that gizmos haven't got a place in the scheme of things, they have. though too many people think they are a substitute for good seamanship and experience, and that they are not.
Depends how good your instincts are don't it, after 46 years of sailing, I would trust my instincts a lot more than I would trust gizmos, not that gizmos haven't got a place in the scheme of things, they have. though too many people think they are a substitute for good seamanship and experience, and that they are not.
Stemar
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"too many people think they are a substitute for good seamanship and experience, and that they are not"
Everyone has to start at the beginning, with neither good seamanship nor experience. Most learn, a few don't. After about 8 years, I've learnt enough to begin to have an inking of the depths of my ignorance and fallibility.
Like Chrusty & Robin, I use my instincts, experience & good technique. Unlike them, I'm not arrogant enough to believe that I'll ever be able to outsmart the sea.
I know of someone whose anchor was well dug in, but a faulty link in their chain failed with no warning or noise and they drifted off. This happened in benign conditions, while they were sitting in the cockpit, but the first warning was that the boats around them started moving. It could just as easily have been at night while they were asleep.
I'll keep using the anchor alarm in addition to my instincts, experience & good technique.
Everyone has to start at the beginning, with neither good seamanship nor experience. Most learn, a few don't. After about 8 years, I've learnt enough to begin to have an inking of the depths of my ignorance and fallibility.
Like Chrusty & Robin, I use my instincts, experience & good technique. Unlike them, I'm not arrogant enough to believe that I'll ever be able to outsmart the sea.
I know of someone whose anchor was well dug in, but a faulty link in their chain failed with no warning or noise and they drifted off. This happened in benign conditions, while they were sitting in the cockpit, but the first warning was that the boats around them started moving. It could just as easily have been at night while they were asleep.
I'll keep using the anchor alarm in addition to my instincts, experience & good technique.
Robin
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Like Chrusty & Robin, I use my instincts, experience & good technique. Unlike them, I'm not arrogant enough to believe that I'll ever be able to outsmart the sea.
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Hey I did NOT intend to be arrogant but was making what I think is a perfectly reasonable point. There was a life afloat too, long before electronics and marina berths, when anchoring was the norm and not something to be afraid of.
Nobody has to take advice that is proferred nor indeed is there often just one correct answer, but I sometimes wonder why I bother at all. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Like Chrusty & Robin, I use my instincts, experience & good technique. Unlike them, I'm not arrogant enough to believe that I'll ever be able to outsmart the sea.
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Hey I did NOT intend to be arrogant but was making what I think is a perfectly reasonable point. There was a life afloat too, long before electronics and marina berths, when anchoring was the norm and not something to be afraid of.
Nobody has to take advice that is proferred nor indeed is there often just one correct answer, but I sometimes wonder why I bother at all. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
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Chrusty1
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"Unlike them, I'm not arrogant enough to believe that I'll ever be able to outsmart the sea."
It's because I am not stupid or arrogant enough to believe I can "outsmart the sea", that after 46 years of sailing, I am still here, and maybe you should consider being a little more open to ideas expressed by people like Robin and myself, to name just two on these forums, but of which there are plenty more......you never know, you just might learn something.
Yes I take the mickey out of yotties and their toys, but generally it is good natured..........for you? I could probably make an exception.
It's because I am not stupid or arrogant enough to believe I can "outsmart the sea", that after 46 years of sailing, I am still here, and maybe you should consider being a little more open to ideas expressed by people like Robin and myself, to name just two on these forums, but of which there are plenty more......you never know, you just might learn something.
Yes I take the mickey out of yotties and their toys, but generally it is good natured..........for you? I could probably make an exception.
Amulet
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Guess I'm just a slow learner. Been sailing for over 50 years and I still make mistakes. As a matter of fact I'm astounded that, even when I think done all the stupid things possible, I still can be creative enough to come up with novel ways of cocking things up. Still, it's all good fun for the spectators.
charles_reed
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feel the need to lecture others are probably browbeaten, henpecked and never get a chance to have their say at home.
We should empathise and let them get it off their chests, all good psychotherapy.
feel the need to lecture others are probably browbeaten, henpecked and never get a chance to have their say at home.
We should empathise and let them get it off their chests, all good psychotherapy.
Litotes
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Just wasting your time....no buttons to press see.........they got to have their gizmos! I think those that blather on about how all the gizmos make them safer, are missing something.
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You know, if you didn't have a pan, you could always tie the cross staff to the leadline. That would make a fair old clatter.... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
I don't decry the new stuff. If it makes life easier, use it. Whether it really makes us safer I really don't know. Glad to have learned the older ways as well, though.
Just wasting your time....no buttons to press see.........they got to have their gizmos! I think those that blather on about how all the gizmos make them safer, are missing something.
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You know, if you didn't have a pan, you could always tie the cross staff to the leadline. That would make a fair old clatter.... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
I don't decry the new stuff. If it makes life easier, use it. Whether it really makes us safer I really don't know. Glad to have learned the older ways as well, though.
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Chrusty1
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Guess I'm just a slow learner. Been sailing for over 50 years and I still make mistakes. As a matter of fact I'm astounded that, even when I think done all the stupid things possible, I still can be creative enough to come up with novel ways of cocking things up. Still, it's all good fun for the spectators.
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Welcome to the club! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Guess I'm just a slow learner. Been sailing for over 50 years and I still make mistakes. As a matter of fact I'm astounded that, even when I think done all the stupid things possible, I still can be creative enough to come up with novel ways of cocking things up. Still, it's all good fun for the spectators.
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Welcome to the club! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
benlui
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A good skipper will not "need" any electro gizmos. A Better skipper will use everything available to him/her regardless of how competent they are and weather or not they actually need it! What’s wrong with a backup, isn’t this what boating is all about, always having a backup for everything when possible?
I’m glad you made this post provenjohn, as I myself am on the lookout for a similar item. I think ill try the Garmin 72 that a few people have mentioned.
I’m glad you made this post provenjohn, as I myself am on the lookout for a similar item. I think ill try the Garmin 72 that a few people have mentioned.
Vanilla
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You're spot on as it does inhibit us newbies. I need a couple of stiff drinks to pluck up courage to ask a question and so have hundreds of Qs on hold due to having insufficient booze in the house /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif