an eyesore

[paulineb]

What would you do if a boat took a mooring on the same pontoon as you which was an absolute disgrace. A boat which old Steptoe wouldn't touch with a barge pole. A boat that had old doors nailed onto its decks to patch up the holes caused by rotting wood ... rotting wood that you can smell not only as you pass it, but also from your boat depending on wind direction.

And as a second thought, what happens if a boat like this hits and damages another boat below the waterline as it enters its mooring and its then found out it's not insured. Does the marina have any responsibility to ensure that all boats are insured and if they aren't, can you claim the cost from them (the marina)?

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[PaulF]

Any responsible marina should insist on insurance. I have seen it on Marina T's & C's Take it up with the marina owners. Possibly liabilities could revert to them, in such an unfortunate event as you described?

The eyesore bit is another matter, subjective, personal etc. Seaworthyness is slightly different and insurance Co's seem very quick to point to any shortcomings, hence surveys etc.

P'raps Major encouragement to refurbish is appropriate? Or maybe a tow rope and a box of Swan Vestas . . . . . . . .?



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[Blue_Blazes]

I'd probably say "Thank god there's at least one boat round here in worse nick than mine" and enjoy looking really good next to it

Bill.

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[jhr]

That's no way to talk about a Riva! /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

I don't suppose I'd be hugely happy, to be honest, particularly if I thought it was going to wham into my boat on the way in or out. Do you know if it's a restoration project, or whether the owner fondly imagines it's in pristine condition? Presumably if it's in a marina, he/she can't exactly be penniless, so could be planning a restoration. To be fair, some of the boats that passed through my family's ownership when I was young weren't exactly in one careful owner condition when we bought them, but they were seaworthy, and we brought them back to respectability in time.

So far as insurance is concerned, most Marinas insist on 3rd party cover as a minimum. My mooring agreement (for the Beaulieu River) certainly specifies that I keep my boat insured at all times, but I've never been asked for a copy of the policy...... I'm not sure where liability would lie in the absence of cover but I suspect a lot of solicitors would get rich, trying to find out. In the first instance, I guess you'd claim against your own insurer, leaving them to try and reclaim money from the owner or (possibly) the marina, who would probably claim that they had taken all reasonable steps to ensure that boats moored on their property were insured. If I were you, I'd lay down a marker by approaching the Marina company (tactfully) and explaining your concerns. They may be able to put your mind at rest, either about the owner's intentions or, at least, about his/her level of insurance cover. Then, if the worst does happen, the Marina company won't be able to claim ignorance.

From your description, it sounds as if your new neighbour will founder at her mooring soon, in which case you'll be OK, but if I were you, I'd regard this as yet another reason to head for the Med asap. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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[Dave_Snelson]

We had just the boat you desribe in our harbour for over two years. It had been bought by a local eccentric who wanted to renovate it - but never did.

It was an old crab trawler, completely falling to pieces and horrible to look at. You can imagine how it looked and smelled. Inspite of repeated warnings, it was never moved or renovated. Eventually, the local authorities slapped an order on it for it to be dismantled and taken away - which is exactly what happened.

So what are your options?
1) Stick of dynamite
2) A manual hole borer and a SCUBA set
3) A fire (not serious - honest)
4) An accident whilst at sea (aka limpit mine with delay fuse)
5) An accident whilst at sea (aka RPG)
6) Grow to like it (and its smell)
7) Offer to help restore (wear gloves and overalls)
9) Enjoy the comparison btween yours and "it".
10) Really grow to like it and go out on it and offer to prepare the canopes and champagne??

Let me know which option you like best....

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[Wiggo]

Or maybe a tow rope and a box of Swan Vestas . . . . . . . .?

What about a hose pipe through the letterbox one night? Looks like natural causes, and it may help wash the smell away...

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[itsonlymoney]

Really Naff when that happens. Have a word with the Berthing manager and tell him to shift it somewere, anywere as long as its not next to you.
Ian

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[paulineb]

I'd rather the marina just tell them to "f-f-f-f-f-f for goodness sake go away"

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[Nick_Pam]

My marina certainly asked my about insurance - I had to provide policy number / copy of policy for their files.
Nick

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[itsonlymoney]

I thought insurance was a must in all marinas, ours certainly is.
Ian

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[theguvnor]

One of the marinas (Thames) I was berthed at insisted that no neglected boats would make their site (and investment) look shabby, and therefore harder to rent.
Options to the offender were
1 Please come and clean it
2 We will clean it & invoice you (£300 ish)
3 When will you collecting it ?
Worked a treat

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[Dave1258]

If he's insured and paying his way, then I don't think there is much you can do, legally that is!


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[itsonlymoney]

Sounds a bit like a marine version of a gypo. And of course the "not in my back yard" scenario.
Ian

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[paulineb]

trust me Ian .... this is not a case of being a nimby - i wouldn't want this in anyone's back yard. or even a scrap yard

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[itsonlymoney]

Just to clarify Pauline, I was not casting aspersions. I totally sypathise, if it's as bad as it sounds "I would" rather it be in someone else's back yard rather than mine.
Regards - Ian

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[KevB]

Take a picy of it and let us see just how bad it is.

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[KevB]

brighton marina webcam

Do you recognise <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.brightonmarina.com/webcam.html>This</A> Pontoon? Go and nobble the camera and point it at the offending boat!!

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[paulineb]

Nooooooooooooooo..... Kim would go balistic !!!!

let's just say it looks like Storming Norman and his army, Robin Hood and his Merry men and the mafia have all been using it as target practice /forums/images/icons/frown.gif

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[milltech]

It's not me, I left Brighton weeks ago!


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[milltech]

It's not me, I left Brighton weeks ago!


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