An aplogy to all Stuart owners

donm

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As a known Stuart Turner critic I have taken some flak from some aficionados of the marquee despite its constant trickery. However on reflection I feel the need to settle with my conscience and unburden myself from the dark secret of a grudging respect for the little green cast iron bilge decoration.

Some (many) years ago a friend and I took a sabbatical, cruising the west and south coast in his wooden cutter, which was powered (only just) by a trusty Stuart 4. Two months into the cruise the clutch went, or at least forward gear which as the anoraks knows is a simple steel cylinder to cone connection. Being strapped for beer tokens, I tried all of the careful shimming that might produce forward motion without terminally destroying the gearbox end of the assembly (which contained the fully functional reverse gear). All attempts to bodge a solution failed so we persevered sailing everywhere and reversing into anchorages, rivers etc (no marinas in them days) until one violent thunder storm later which left us becalmed, at sea, at the mercy of the lightening, we gave in and set about purchasing a new forward cone.
We were in Falmouth at the time and found that a place in Helford had a cone so we arranged to sail over and meet the seller on the beach to make the transaction. We duly sailed to the Helford, inflated our trusty (black) Avon by mouth and my mate paddled ashore, did the deal and returned with the shiny new cone. By now the wind had died away so as we had a long drift back to Falmouth I set about disconnecting the gearbox from the shaft and engine block so as to replace the cone. However when the cone was exposed it was apparent that I needed a large box spanner to remove it as my multi headed bicycle spanner and two Allen keys did not fit. I thought about drifting it out with a hammer and screwdriver, but did not have a hammer and screwdriver so gave up on that approach. By a stroke of luck there were several ships anchored in Falmouth roads and one had a ladder over the side, so my mate boarded it and asked if he could borrow a cup of sugar and a box spanner. Back he came with both, off came the cone, on went the new one, back went the spanner, on went the gearbox, and forward went the boat! The whole operation was carried out afloat in 8 hours and on passage from Falmouth to Helford and back to Falmouth (via anchored ship) and the question is, on what other marine engine could you have done this?

There, I feel a great weight has been lifted from my shoulders!
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"Tink" " Tink" "Tink" the bloody things stopped again /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
My parents had a 20ft Fairy Pimento with stuart turner inboard
It never ever started without a drop of easystart.
Except Once.
Mast came down about a mile north of newtown..Wind Sotherly 6
As the last of the rigging sails etc were recovered and clear of the prop, Dad looked up and we were yards from breaking waves on the lee shore of the mainland.
With no time to take the top off the engine box to administer the easystart, He swung the starting handle... Stuart fired up and we motored off .. We figured it must have been as scared as we were!
 
Personally, I love 'em, but you would think that they are the spawn of the devil the way raggies in general go on about them /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I think the problem is that these days especially, people tend to think that an engine should just start and do what it's supposed to do, without any input from them, apart from turning the key that is!

The number of boats that I have been aboard, where all paintwork and brightwork is gleamingus perfectus, bronzes and brasses polished out almost to oblivian, yet you look in the engine space and there is this poor sad wee rust heap, dripping water and other detritous, is unbelievable!

Stuarts only take a bit of care and attention to keep chuntering away for ever. but do they get it? Naaaaaaaa, don't be bloody silly! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Every winter, they are just left festering and unattended in the dark and the damp, then Mr. Classic raggie comes to it at the start of the next season and expects it to fire up and purr like a goodun, this of course after he has attended to all the other more important things on his pride and joy, as previously mentioned.

Knew an old boy that used to have a J&J sloop a few years ago, had a Stuart 4hp auxilery, that engine never let him down, not once. Why, cos he used to lift it out, (you can easuily do that with a 4hp) at the end of every season, and take it home, service it, paint it if neccessary and store the mag in the airing cupboard. At the start of the following season, re-install it, fresh juice in the tank, and away she would go, job's a guddun!

Just a modicum of care see! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Yes I have to agree with Smiffy.
I had an old one that I was given. It sat in an open fronted barn for 18 months with just a couple of bit's of 3 x 2 for it to sit on.
One spring day we decided to give it a turn over, just for the heck of it.
I only fired didn't it! Gave about 5 or 6 bangs which had us (son and self) hanging on to it to stop it getting away as it wasn't even screwed down.

And I remember the old boatman chap who used to collect the anchoring fees in Newtown Creek had a ST in a nice clinker launch. He'd turn it off at each boat, but half a turn of the handle and away it went again.
He thought the world of it. But, he did take it out each winter and keep the mag at home.

Ron.
 
I tell you what Ron, you want to speak to the blokes at Fairways Marine, they could tell you stories about owners and their engines that would make you weep, or possibly have you rolling around it fits! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Well, that's an opinion.........................







Of sorts, and it probably comes from someone that treats their engine like a lot of Yotties.......................










With contempt! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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My parents had a 20ft Fairy Pimento with stuart turner inboard
It never ever started without a drop of easystart.
Except Once.
Mast came down about a mile north of newtown..Wind Sotherly 6
As the last of the rigging sails etc were recovered and clear of the prop, Dad looked up and we were yards from breaking waves on the lee shore of the mainland.
With no time to take the top off the engine box to administer the easystart, He swung the starting handle... Stuart fired up and we motored off .. We figured it must have been as scared as we were!

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I dont know who believes in fate on here, but I do and the latest example was last Saturday, I was out on the Solent single handed for the first time since my little mishap with East Head Sand bank, and extreamly nervous, well reefed and hanging on to the helm as if my life depended on it.
When I heard the weather forecast words " Gale force 8 imminent"
I didnt hear much else, I was too busy furling that jib in, I bottled it and was running for cover. I got back to the inner swashway of Portsmouth Harbour, and went to switch the engine on, sheer horror! it would not even turn over.
I quickly tacked out of there and back out into more open water to investigate. Whilst I was dealing with trying to start the engine, I was too busy to be scared, I left the helm and went down to look at the engine, (well you never know, in these circumstances, standing looking at the engine, might just bring about some divine inspiration regarding how to fix it!)
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I phoned sea start and they said they would come out, in the mean time, I sailed back and forth, tacking, gybing, gradually unreefing the headsail and seeing how little boat and I would cope with the 22kn gusts.
After a little while I found myself back to relax and enjoy mode, even letting go of the helm long enough to make coffee, and wishing that I could stay out on the water longer.
The gale force 8 didnt seem to materialise, though there were a lot of boats heading out with storm jibs and tri sails up.

When Seastart later looked at my little Vire 12 engine, Billy found a wire that had popped off, pushed the spade into place and she started first turn, /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif I reckon fate had stepped in, and forced me to stay out an extra hour and work through my fear /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Chrissie
 
Beware any inboard petrol engine on boats, a friend was crossing the Bay of Biscay in his classic gaff cutter single handed when the engine back fired . He opened the engine compartment, the sudden increase in oxygen caused an explosion burning him and setting fire to the wooden craft. First fire extinguisher was not enough, he remembered he had a second, of the sort now banned, that did the job.
 
What about the thousands of boats that over the last Century have happily chugged around just about everywhere with one of these dreaded petrol engines?

Incidentally, I have a Halon extinguisher, and as an ex firefighter, even knowing they are banned, I would not give it up for anything! I have seen lives saved with Halon, and I have seen how quick it can knock down and kill a fire. There is of course the added advantage of no mess to clear up, other that what may have been caused by the fire. Have any of you seen what a dry powder extinguisher can do to the inside of a boat!!......YUK!

A properly installed petrol engine is perfectly safe, it's the fuel and it's associated requirements that need careful monitoring.
 
It was a Halon extinguisher and it saved his life. Nothing said will persuade me that petrol is a safe fuel, especially on an inflammable boat.
 
Petrol is not an inherently safe fuel in any mode of transport. it has to be treated with respect and handled carefully, that is where the safety comes in, it's more about keeping it under control in the envronment in which it is used. Incidentally do you have an outboard engine? Do you use it on a flammable dinghy? /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
Yep, they sure do, you could get run over by a bus tomorrow! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Oh dear,
I shall have to watch out then, both my outboards, and my inboard are petrol, so is my little Morris Minor, my lawn mower and my generator!
I dont know what the breakdown in figures between diesel and petrol engines fires per 1000 engines is,
I am aware that petrol is more combustable than diesel, but I dont know if the incidents of actual accidents is higher.
I do know that petrol has been used for many years and I am sure the nannystate would ban its use if there was a suspicion that it was too dangerous to use!
M
Like my Thatched roof, people always ask me if I am scared of it catching fire, but spontanious combustion is relatively rare, and in fact Thatch roofs are less likely to catch fire than tile, but will burn better if they do.
I guess an awareness of the dangers and proceedures in place to deal with it are important, but I have in the past been needlessly worried by the doom and gloom warnings given to me almost weekly, I have to keep reminding myself that its no more likely to burst into flames than my Moggie engine
 
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