Am I expecting too much?

[Renegade_Master]

So Phil goes to help a client bring his NEW boat from bay of roses round to Banus, arrived late last night after some lumpy seas enroute about 600nm.

Anyway Phil and indeed I was suprised to learn that the new boat was supplied with no engine room extinguishers? Also it had a few small fenders but warps.

I would have thought that the manufacturers would, for safety reasons, have equipt the boat with fire extinsuishers at least. I've never bought a new boat, has anyone done so and if so did you get these as standard?

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[petem]

Oooh yes, should deffo come with extinguishers. What make is the boat?

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[kindredspirit]

Bought mine new in 1999 but didn't get fire extinguishers. The guy in the factory said as it was diesel, EU regulations didn't oblige him to fit them but if the factory made petrol boats, they would have to.

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[tr7v8]

A survey in one of the mags a few months ago of the main builders I think showed that the only manufacturers who fitted Fire systems were Sunseeker, I think most of the others fitted the legal minimum and "left the choice to the customer"

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[sailorman]

your lucky they didnt expect u to leave the fenders + warps on the dock.

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[Renegade_Master]

Thing is they let the customer collect the boat intent on a maiden vayoge to his home port (600nm) within fire protection. Bit poor IMHO.
Oh its Cranchi 40 Atlantique. Nice little boat actually very stylish, have a look on their web site www.cranchi.it

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[tcm]

Are sunseeker a main builder?

in the UK yes, but worldwide I am not at all so sure.

They are med boats, but if you see one in the med, the chances are high that the owner is a brit. No question that they know what looks good and so forth. But underneath ....

Sunseeker and fairline fit some of the cheapest kit (tv's, galley white goods and sound systems as standard) and leave much on the options list eg washing machine on only the largest boats. Don't expect to find a Miele anything on a sunseeker for example. Don't expect to find anything less on the prouder Italains. The brits have fairly minimal safety systems when compared to other boats of the same size. Sunseekers are light and quick, in part cos they are less beamy and more scraped-away hull forms, but also cos a 70 footer will have one genny, not two, and one airco plant not two, and "some fire extinguishers" but not loads of firextinguishers, not also a firex system that clamps down the engine room vents as standard, and has no diverts on the engine intake to empty the bilge, no storm windows, thin-guage guardrails - have a look at the thickness of even 50-foot ferretti and compare with spindly 80 foot sunseekers. Whislt down there, compare the "sealed bulkhead" style engineroom doors in some boats/ships with some sunseeker crew cabins - simply boxes in the engineroom with little or no fire or heat protection.

Sunseekers and other brit brands are good. But I feel that we brits, and the brit boating press givem an easier ride than they get elsewhere. At larger sizes they sell well but they are not universally well regarded, and hence tend to be bought on a non-boaty owners' whim rather than with the full backing of seafaring crew who look deeper at brit products and find them lacking in many areas. Some brit builders are demonmstrably unable to consider that they might be miles behind the plot - witness sunseekers claim of "largest production boat" when launching the predator 80 when mangusta and so forth had been building larger for years such that 80 footer was their smallest production boat not their largest.

Oops another rant. To answer suncoast question, yes, on a fairline i got alittle fire extinguisher (seemed the smallest size possible) and to show crew how to use it and what it did after 2 years i decided to let one off. It didn't work.

 

[Dave_Snelson]

I've never bought a new boat either, but no engine bay extinguishers??? Thats rediculous!!

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[Deleted User YDKXO]

Re: Are sunseeker a main builder?

Agree with you regarding an easier ride for Brit boats. I remember a rather sniffy boat report on an Azimut 43 a few years back (when Bartlett was the road test editor) making a huge thing about the interior helm position being on the port side. A couple of issues later there was a test of some Nelson thingy, also written by Bartlett, with the helm also on the port side and not a mention in the report
Generally speaking there is'nt enough critical reporting in the Brit press but I suppose they have advertisers they cant afford to offend
With regard to the engineering on boats, Brit builders tend to be expanding their range upwards so the buyer of a 100' Sunseeker is going to get the same design and build mentality as the buyer of a Hawk 34 whereas a lot of Italian builders have been making large boats for years so the standards tend to filter down to the lower end of the range. As they say, wiser to buy a cheap Merc than an expensive Ford


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[petem]

Re: Are sunseeker a main builder?

Agreed. Couple of years ago went on an Elegance at SBS. Following that we looked at some large Sunseekers and Princesses and they did look a little like toys in comparison.

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[Dave1258]

Re: Are sunseeker a main builder?

No basic form of fire control is where we lack in standards compared to other boat building countries, There appears to be no regulations governing the basic safety standards of what is mandatory equipment, should your vessel require something as simple as a BSC...................Why?

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[ccscott49]

Re: Are sunseeker a main builder?

But it was an Eyetie boat!

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[ccscott49]

No you were not expecting too much! I wouldnt go to sea, never mind a passage of 600nm in a boat without basic engine room extinguishers, bloody criminal neglect on behalf of the builders/suppliers!

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[tcm]

Re: keep up colin!

the one referred to by suncoast, maybe.

But then tr7v8 referred to S'seeker, hence my post. The fairline I referred to is of course british too innit?

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[ccscott49]

Re: keep up colin!

BUt.....but.....wasnt the post about the eyetie boat, having no extiguishers, sorry I`m a bit confude at the moment, think I`ll go back to bed!


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[tcm]

Re: keep up colin!

yes, the original post was about a non-brit boat. But this sub thread is about brit boats being "mainstream". Well, it was, now it's about colin going back to bed...

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[DavidBunn]

Hi all,
Yesterday I went with my son Jonathan on the handover/sea trials of his new Sealine 42 (Double O Heaven). I must say that I was impressed with the whole procedure, and yes she was fitted with engine room extinguishers.
Regards, David.

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[ccscott49]

Re: keep up colin!

Chortle!! Now thats what I call Fredrift!!

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[DavidBunn]

Re: keep up colin!

Sorry.....Just thought it may be interesting....Who is this guy Fred Drift anyway?
Regards, David.

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[ccscott49]

Re: keep up colin!

thread drift perhaps.

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