ArthurWood
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A propos the 15-year-old flying a plane into a Tampa bank building yesterday, I wondered if there is a lower age limit for driving a boat in the UK (or a plane for that matter).
Age limits
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BarryD
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Hi Arthur - You can't solo (plane) in the UK until you are 16, and then you can't fly in controlled airspace until you have IMC (Instrument Metrology something) or a full instrument rating. To get these you really need multi-engine time and to be an air-line pilot (about £56k of training at minimum)
For sailing - whilst there does not seem to be a lower age limit I think insuarnce would be impossible unless you had some quals. and most marinas won't let you in unless you've got insurance.
Over to the wiser heads...
Barry D<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by BarryD on Sun Jan 6 15:31:39 2002 (server time).</FONT></P>
For sailing - whilst there does not seem to be a lower age limit I think insuarnce would be impossible unless you had some quals. and most marinas won't let you in unless you've got insurance.
Over to the wiser heads...
Barry D<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by BarryD on Sun Jan 6 15:31:39 2002 (server time).</FONT></P>
petem
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Do marinas care about insurance? I've never been asked.
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Re: insurance uk v france
Never been asked in Uk, and never (in med france) been NOT asked, along with papers. Mind you, don't think they have a clue what they are looking at - mines all in English.
Note that "driving" is not the same as "skippered": I beleieve that altho they old gits in the submarine in Pearl Harbour actuyally had their hands on the wheel, the captain was still skipper.
I am only aware of a 6hp power limit for up to 16 years old in France. Or is it 9.9 hp?
Never been asked in Uk, and never (in med france) been NOT asked, along with papers. Mind you, don't think they have a clue what they are looking at - mines all in English.
Note that "driving" is not the same as "skippered": I beleieve that altho they old gits in the submarine in Pearl Harbour actuyally had their hands on the wheel, the captain was still skipper.
I am only aware of a 6hp power limit for up to 16 years old in France. Or is it 9.9 hp?
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Insurance cover.
When we returned to boating in this country the first thing Hythe Marina manager asked us for before he would pass on our berthing contract was the insurance certificate.
We moved to Lymington 2 years later, again armed with certificate so as not to be caught out presented it to marina manager, reply was, oh were not bothered about that, which was strange as it said in the yearbook that min 2 mill cover was req, seems it was just a matter of covering the small print and they actually were't bothered at all.
Paul js.
When we returned to boating in this country the first thing Hythe Marina manager asked us for before he would pass on our berthing contract was the insurance certificate.
We moved to Lymington 2 years later, again armed with certificate so as not to be caught out presented it to marina manager, reply was, oh were not bothered about that, which was strange as it said in the yearbook that min 2 mill cover was req, seems it was just a matter of covering the small print and they actually were't bothered at all.
Paul js.
ArthurWood
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Re: insurance USA
Had to provide evidence of insurance for 3 marinas we have used for l-term berthing. One area where US is stricter than others!
Had to provide evidence of insurance for 3 marinas we have used for l-term berthing. One area where US is stricter than others!
hlb
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Dont think age limits come in to it Arthur. As I understand it, he just nicked the plane and flew off. Dont they have ignition keys or whatever.
I've been asked for insurance at marinas. But its not been handy at the time so not bothered.
Quite interesting though that a 3 year old could just go off in his dads 45 without question.
Haydn
I've been asked for insurance at marinas. But its not been handy at the time so not bothered.
Quite interesting though that a 3 year old could just go off in his dads 45 without question.
Haydn
Tucepi
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The lad from the USA was waiting for his instructor, obviously not long enough as he went up on his own. In the UK you can fly solo at age 16.
You can with a basic Pilots Lic. fly in controlled airspace provided you are radio equipped and communicate to air traffic, you do not need an IMC rating or Instrument rating unless you intend to fly in very poor visibility or on airways.
Regards Pilot turned motor boaty.
You can with a basic Pilots Lic. fly in controlled airspace provided you are radio equipped and communicate to air traffic, you do not need an IMC rating or Instrument rating unless you intend to fly in very poor visibility or on airways.
Regards Pilot turned motor boaty.
lanason
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Good question about age limits.
when I was a kid I used to go miles in our Inflatable with outboard with no specific insurance or anything...... I was only 14 or so.
What about Drunk Skippering .... Can you be arrested for be drunk in charge like with a car ????
Many times kids are better skippers of boats than their parents they concentrate (in case they do anything wrong and get a boll***ing) - we know we know it all and get complacent ....
Adrian
when I was a kid I used to go miles in our Inflatable with outboard with no specific insurance or anything...... I was only 14 or so.
What about Drunk Skippering .... Can you be arrested for be drunk in charge like with a car ????
Many times kids are better skippers of boats than their parents they concentrate (in case they do anything wrong and get a boll***ing) - we know we know it all and get complacent ....
Adrian
ArthurWood
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Apparently he had been receiving tuition since age 13. Looks too much like a copycat disaster to me - not responding to radio and flying into a building. I guess we will find out if he had been having symptoms of eg schizophrenia which tend to begin to show themselves at that age. Sad whatever the cause.
ArthurWood
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Story over here is that he just took the plane and went.
BarryH
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Re: insurance USA
The comments on insurance have got the grey matter working, I've just renewed my boat policy, it cost me £251 (dont know where the £1 comes in to it). Now that gives me £2 million 3rd party cover and health expences, theft of boat/ equipment and loads of other stuff thats listed. Now take the worst case senario a 14 yearold in an inflatable with an outboard worth lets say, what £500, for arguments sake.His flying along not looking where his going, looking at some speed freak in his go faster balls out speed freak sports boat, thinking to himself "I'm gonna get one o those when i get older". Then bang! He hits a boat worth lets say £50000, the nose of the dinghy goes under the bow the sretn flips up throwing the motor thru the front windows, taking off the head of the skippers wife, the engine carries on, still running, tears thru the cabin hitting the main electical panel, a fire breaks out. this spreads to the engine conpartment and fuel lines (petrol) Ker bang! up goes the whole shooting match, Big ball of flame, black smoke the lot.
Now whos to blame, kid or his parents, either way is it worth not spending out on the yearly policy!
The comments on insurance have got the grey matter working, I've just renewed my boat policy, it cost me £251 (dont know where the £1 comes in to it). Now that gives me £2 million 3rd party cover and health expences, theft of boat/ equipment and loads of other stuff thats listed. Now take the worst case senario a 14 yearold in an inflatable with an outboard worth lets say, what £500, for arguments sake.His flying along not looking where his going, looking at some speed freak in his go faster balls out speed freak sports boat, thinking to himself "I'm gonna get one o those when i get older". Then bang! He hits a boat worth lets say £50000, the nose of the dinghy goes under the bow the sretn flips up throwing the motor thru the front windows, taking off the head of the skippers wife, the engine carries on, still running, tears thru the cabin hitting the main electical panel, a fire breaks out. this spreads to the engine conpartment and fuel lines (petrol) Ker bang! up goes the whole shooting match, Big ball of flame, black smoke the lot.
Now whos to blame, kid or his parents, either way is it worth not spending out on the yearly policy!
coliholic
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Re: insurance USA
Couldn't you have made up a better scenario than that?
Nice one I like it. esp the bit about taking off the wife's head. Who's going to star in the movie. Matt to write screenplay, all stunts by Arthur.
Couldn't you have made up a better scenario than that?
Nice one I like it. esp the bit about taking off the wife's head. Who's going to star in the movie. Matt to write screenplay, all stunts by Arthur.
ArthurWood
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Re: Movie
Sounds like the basis for a good horror movie, Barry
Sounds like the basis for a good horror movie, Barry
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I beleive it is 15 for the River Dee at Chester
Robbie W
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ArthurWood
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Re: Update
Turns out the kid left a suicide note, so he was unbalanced.
In cases like that, age is probably not a factor. Sad
Turns out the kid left a suicide note, so he was unbalanced.
In cases like that, age is probably not a factor. Sad
