Advice please, DECK!!!

I would leave it, sounds like an expensive and horrible job. Personally I have a problem with people chopping down unrenewable resources to stick on top of a plastic boats like some form of nauticalia ornament in the knowledge it will probably be on the bonfire in 15 years time.

If you have wood boat then clearly there is some practical argument. only my opinion, teak obviously looks nicer but is it really more hard wearing, easy to care for or grippier than other surfaces? (I know I probably have no soul)
 
I find your boat's spec and obvious level of care, as shown by the programme of replacement and upgrading, to be an attractive selling proposition. True, some buyers of this very popular marque will seek it as a status acquisition and want teak everywhere, but many others who value the sailing qualities will not. But they will be impressed by the equipment and that it is ready to go.

If that's the way it inspects, then I would not go to the trouble of stripping the decks which present quite well in the pictures. More boats are having plastic decking to put on the, er, plastic deck. So what's the issue?

I would guess a serious purchaser will take his/her cue from how YOU present - this will inspire confidence. If the deck issue comes up, point up the durability plus points etc. If they want to strip the deck that's their affair.

By the way, the thought crossed my mind as to what this asking price could deliver by way of new guaranteed, pride of the seas type NEW Bavaria with genuine teak...Woow. But we've been there and I rest my case..shouldn't let my enthusiasm spoil your day...

PWG
 
It's great that you have lots of photos on your advert so there are no surprises. Having said that if the deck is an issue then highlight it up front.
If I was looking at your boat as a prospective purchaser I would be thinking that the boat has potential but I would view it as a restoration project. Because of that I think it is way overpriced. Even though you have a lot of relatively new equipment and you've obviously spent a lot there are some really expensive items who's time may be up. It's like house buying. It either needs to be looking upto date or it needs to be sold to a diy enthusiast.
From the photos my list would include:
Engine is still the original despite a rebuild.
Galley worktops and cooker.
Saloon Cushions
Electronics. may function ok but that radar is certainly dated.
Cockpit seats.
Add onto that the deck I would be thinking it needs £20k spending on her to bring her reasonably upto date.
Given the market and what else is out there I think my starting point would be your asking price less the £20k.
Not what you wanted to hear and please don't take it too personally but that would be my view point for what's it worth and certainly not worth doing anything about the deck due to the other items also on the list.
 
My earlier post suggesting there might be very few 352s for sale got me thinking so I did a search on Yachtworld and there are actually over 15 for sale across Europe, although none of them seem to be in Ireland. Prices range from 80k to over 120k Euros so Pandos asking price is right in there. Every boat nearly 30 years old is likely to require some work and upgrading to meet the new buyer's needs, but the extent of that seems to be reflected in the price range.

Like Peter I question why one would pay that amount for a 30 year old boat when for 15k Euros less one could have my 2001 Bavaria 37, all up together berthed in Corfu (if I were interested in selling!) Or for less than 10k more a new 34 with an adequate inventory. However, if I were going to spend my time bashing around the Celtic Sea and the Western Approaches in typical weather, I would have the HR on my list - or save £15k and look for a Moody 346 or Westerly Corsair - even go up a bit in size and get a tip top Moody 376 for the same money.

Good thing we are not all the same.
 
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Prices range from 80k to over 120k Euros so Pandos asking price is right in there.

[/ QUOTE ]I looked too, and noticed that some of the older models had been fitted with new teak decks at some stage. HRs are only available new with teak decks, so the teak deck is usually expected by buyers. On this basis, I'd reckon that the boat pandos is trying to sell is overpriced, especially if it "looks a bit tired" as he claims.
 
No, the teak deck was optional, although most have it, much to the dismay of owners who have to fork out 10-15k to replace. You have to look at the boat in its totality - pandos boat has lots of good points which he needs to stress. A buyer might be faced with another 90k boat that has a knackered deck with a certain spend to replace it. Is that a better deal than his that might not seem the same visually, but is functionally better? Maybe the location of the boat, well removed from the majority of buyers is a bigger barrier.

Anyway, what do I know as I am only a Bavaria owner (with real teak cockpit sole and side benches) - but not decks because I have observed what happens to them, particularly on earlier HRs. Porcupines come to mind when the bungs pop out in the Med heat!
 
Jeeez Crizzz. one cannot in their wildest dreams compare a bavaria to a HR 352... not possible.. apples and oranges...

Personaly, I wouldnt have teak decks for love nor money.. pain on the asssss..... why take a good sealed grp deck and drill a few thousand holes in it for a 'look", but.. I would have a 352 for its fantastic seaworthness over any modern production boat if you wanted to go the distance..

Like comparing a nic 32 to a Jeanneau 32 or similar.. it dont work...

I think, yes, the asking price is high, more like 75K euros.. but thats about right...

Any boat originally built with ludicrous teak decks, that has since had them replaced with fake is always gonna be difficult to sell.. but the fact its a 352 WILL sell it to a knowledgable buyer.. at the RIGHT price..

A Bavaria is a great marina boat for the odd evening meal and a weekend cruise.. but.. thats about it...

No one in their right minds would plan serious distance on one... perhaps the ocean range, yes, the norm.. BennyJanBav etc... yuk... be serious....

Best of luck with yer sale... just look at no more than 45 to 50 k gbp// and be prepared to haggle...
 
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No, the teak deck was optional, although most have it, much to the dismay of owners who have to fork out 10-15k to replace.

[/ QUOTE ]Wrong, my friend, every HR352 started life with a teak deck as standard.

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Anyway, what do I know as I am only a Bavaria owner...

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Captainslarty Please read my post again. Perhaps I was being too subtle. I was not trying to compare the two as boats but rather as alternate ways of spending the dosh and picking up on PeterGibbs post - although I think he's a lucky devil who has a Bavaria Ocean, not a plain jane one like mine.

My comparison was between other 35 footish centre cockpit boats for something other than Med posing (although many Bavaria owners will probably leap to their defence with tales of derring do!). I love my Bavaria as it does the job I want it to do far better than a HR352, but I was merely pointing out that in the 352 type of market there are other boats to consider that are substantially cheaper in the current market. But that probably reflects the premium that the HR had over a Moody when they were new.

Disagree about price. Comparing specs of other boats on the market, why should he ask a price lower than any of them? The highest is over 120k and the lowest is 80k. Can't believe it is "worse" than all the others, given the amount of upgrading.

Stand corrected PVB, but have seen a 352 without teak decks, but probably an owner unprepared to pay for replacement.
 
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