advice on finding a mooring on spanish south east coast

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I have a 48 ft sailing yacht currently in Sotogrand but would like to move to somewhere between almeria and Valencia. Although we do not live aboard we visit frequently and I have four children so need a relatively lively marina. Idealy we would like to be up near alicante to enable easy access to the balearics but would be grateful for any advice or suggestions. WE would initially like to rent but would later consider buying . Thanks
 
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thanks for the suggestion of Denia. I have tried searching for steve's details on the forum but cannot find it do you know does he sign on with a different name, or am i not doing some thing right as I am new to the forum and not sure if I am searching correctly
Thanks John Fraser
 
Hi We have spent a couple of years on this coast but have moved on. The cheapest places are I think Almerimar and Aguadulce. Flights are with Ryanair / Easyjet to Almeria. I liked both and they are sheltered. Almerimar is big with lots more cafes etc but the beaches are not quite as good. They are a bit of a haul to the balearics. They are also away from Valencia. We wintered in Torrevieja (after leaving there)we got a big bill from the Valencia Regional authority for light dues. We had paid up all marina fees this was on top. It was not Torrevieja's fault but I will now avoid all of the region of Valencia like the plague! I have also heard the Valencia authority is also a hazard to property owners there. Perhaps this was a one off event but as they did it to a fair number of boats we moved on.
 
I think the light dues Bluestone refers to are what the Valencian Authorities call the G5 Tax.For our 28 foot yacht it was about 175 Euros for 6 months to the 31st.December 2005.It is due to go up this year but the marina we are on has not been told how much extra to charge yet.We were in Denia for a week or so last year and met the German woman who oversees the marina office and she was ....well...very German?The facilities were very good and the town of Denia is very nice.
 
Thanks for the advice I will take a look at almerimar and Aguadulce when I am next in Spain. Cost is an important issue and if they are more reasonably priced then that could swing a decision
 
Almerimar is not run by the Juna and the 2006 prices have just been published - up an average of 8% they told me last week. There are berths for sale from private individuals but I don't think that they are brilliant investments as you still have to pay steep prices for services. Anyway, it is definitely not run by the Junta.
 
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Tania! Don't worry, she is like that to all of us.

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She smiles at me now - ever since I showed her and the girls in the office G. Earth and they could see the marina.

Tariff G5 on a 45 footer was €61.25 for December 2005.
Marina de Denia haven't completed their pricings for 2006 yet.(We tried to pay the other day and Tania turned us away). I'll post the prices here when we know what they are.
 
Re: What is G5?

175 euros!! thats what i have to live on for 6 months! Have to avoid spain now.

Pity it used to be a nice place for boats when Franco was in charge then there were plenty of places at resonable prices
 
Re: What is G5?

Agree. I left Spain years ago, it's painful on a multi since they charge on
length * width. Trouble is you have to get past the place going east
or west. I found moorings easier the further east I travelled in the Med.
There's more space in the Adriatic or Ionian than the whole of Med Spain.
It's so crowded in season. Everyone heads for the Balearics in July/August.
Keep going east!
 
Re: What is G5?

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"Tax levied on non-Spanish flagged boats that have been in Spanish waters for more that 183 consecutive days."
If only this were so....on entering Valencian waters you start paying G5 Tax if you go into a marina.You are liable to pay if you anchor as well but I am not sure how that is collected - if at all.It is not triggered after 180 days - that is the cutoff point for staying in Spanish waters (Same situation in France) after which the vessel should be registered as a Spanish vessel and taxed accordingly at a rate set by negotiation with the Tax authorities.As an extra whammy the skipper must have the relevant Spanish qualifications after the 180 day rule has been invoked.The good news is that EU yachts on passage are not usually subject to these rules.The ones who do have problems are U.S. flagged vessels.When I queried this setup with the RYA they said that some Brits had been caught up but the only cases they knew of were where the owner had a Spanish residence and had brought themselves to the attention of the authorities in some way.
 
Re: What is G5?

Why hasn't there been a mass exodus of Brit registered boats?
Many of whom have been in Spain for years.
 
Re: What is G5?

Good Question! Inertia is one possibility coupled with the general belief amongst foreign yachties (Americans excluded)that provided you keep your head down and have a EU address & can therefore state you are "on passage" you will be all right-which FWIW as far as I can tell-is exactly right.It may be that the Spanish appreciate the gains to be made from maintaining the status quo given the huge number of marina berths occupied by foreign flagged vessels.
 
Re: What is G5?

Keltman,

I think it's fair to say that we have different experiences in this arena.

We have been here (Spain) with the yacht for 18 months. The yacht remains British flagged and we have been through the Spanish processes of making her legal for charter in Spanish waters; so all the relevant Authorities know we are here!

We were given the choice of retaining UK flag or converting. Whether we ended up making the right decision - well, only time will tell and who knows; the Spanish might change their minds and impose re-flagging on me!

www.seraph-sailing.com
 
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