peterb
New member
For those who haven't already seen it, might I suggest a look at http://www.maib.dft.gov.uk/sd/0102/index.htm, particularly items 22 and 24 in Part 3?
Accident investigations
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extravert
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I think article 22 is the best peice of anlysis I have ever seen from the MAIB, and should pe posted directly here. Is there a copyright issue? It is essential reading for everyone who goes beyond the Solent. Perhaps they should post it directly themselves.
davel
Active member
Agreed. An excellent read (the authors are to be congratulated for the writing style) and very informative.
Dave L.
Dave L.
AndrewB
Well-known member
Biscay caution.
Like others, I would agree that MAIB accident reports relating to yachts have become excellent in the last few years. Another interesting one relating to crossing Biscay concerns the 'Ocean Madam', at http://www.maib.dft.gov.uk/sd/9902/31.htm. Extravert is right that these reports deserve wider publicity amongst yachties, regular inclusion in YM would not be out of place.
Regarding the 'Creighton's Naturally' report, mention is made of the Continental Shelf boundary which stretches NW to SE about mid way across Biscay, ending not far from the French/Spanish border. I think it is gradually becoming recognised that this boundary is partly responsible for Biscay's reputation, even though the sea on both sides is far deeper than is normally associated with surface activity. Three years ago we crossed in an absolute flat calm, and half way across we saw on the surface of the water a thin straight line of turbulent water stretching both ways to the horizon, close to the boundary. It is easy to imagine this would become overfalls in any strength of wind.
Like others, I would agree that MAIB accident reports relating to yachts have become excellent in the last few years. Another interesting one relating to crossing Biscay concerns the 'Ocean Madam', at http://www.maib.dft.gov.uk/sd/9902/31.htm. Extravert is right that these reports deserve wider publicity amongst yachties, regular inclusion in YM would not be out of place.
Regarding the 'Creighton's Naturally' report, mention is made of the Continental Shelf boundary which stretches NW to SE about mid way across Biscay, ending not far from the French/Spanish border. I think it is gradually becoming recognised that this boundary is partly responsible for Biscay's reputation, even though the sea on both sides is far deeper than is normally associated with surface activity. Three years ago we crossed in an absolute flat calm, and half way across we saw on the surface of the water a thin straight line of turbulent water stretching both ways to the horizon, close to the boundary. It is easy to imagine this would become overfalls in any strength of wind.
tome
New member
Excellent read, and written in good plain English. If this is a new style from MAIB they are to be congratulated. Worth publishing in full (KIM?)
Mirelle
N/A
Yes. Astoundingly good value for the pittance the taxpayer pays this small and overworked agency.
tome
New member
On the other hand...
Did you read the sad tale of the man overboard on the ferry Koningin Beatrix?
http://www.maib.dft.gov.uk/reports/pdf/koningin-beatrix.pdf
This was the tale of a father travelling with car, wife, and kids who went overboard on a trip from Rosslare to Fishguard in heavy seas. I found it harrowing reading, and although not wishing to add my own interpretation to the events, would not have been proud to have been a member of the crew of that ferry.
There's a frank admission that the crew could only initiate man overboard recovery procedures in less than 50% of prevailing weather conditions during certain months.
The MAIB conclusions and recommendations are bland and even attempt to speculate on the passengers state of mind and whether it could have been a suicide attempt. I won't comment further as it must remain a distressing subject to all concerned.
Did you read the sad tale of the man overboard on the ferry Koningin Beatrix?
http://www.maib.dft.gov.uk/reports/pdf/koningin-beatrix.pdf
This was the tale of a father travelling with car, wife, and kids who went overboard on a trip from Rosslare to Fishguard in heavy seas. I found it harrowing reading, and although not wishing to add my own interpretation to the events, would not have been proud to have been a member of the crew of that ferry.
There's a frank admission that the crew could only initiate man overboard recovery procedures in less than 50% of prevailing weather conditions during certain months.
The MAIB conclusions and recommendations are bland and even attempt to speculate on the passengers state of mind and whether it could have been a suicide attempt. I won't comment further as it must remain a distressing subject to all concerned.
